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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 28, 2014 at 12:06 am
(September 27, 2014 at 11:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (September 27, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Too lazy to read what, that you'd explained away your own argument?
My point in using bees as an example is to show that the Fibonacci Sequence is not just found in "structure" but also in animal behavior.
Yeah, and I'm still confused as to why you stopped at this specific level of granularity, given that you can find plenty of other repeated patterns in the natural world too: lots of things in nature are green, and somehow- most likely through space magic- sometimes even the animals in those environments are green too! How did that happen?
Why stick to this Fibonacci Sequence stuff? Could it be that, though there are far more widespread patterns, none of them sound nearly as portentous and significant as the one that you can attach a special kind of man-made designation to, that makes it sound designed? 
Seriously, think about it: if patterns are signs of design, don't you have better things to point to? Or are you just worried about how silly you'd look pointing to a bunch of similar colors and simplistic shapes and saying those are indicators of divine authorship?
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September 28, 2014 at 12:09 am
Fractals man...fractals........
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September 28, 2014 at 12:45 am
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(September 28, 2014 at 12:06 am)Esquilax Wrote: (September 27, 2014 at 11:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: My point in using bees as an example is to show that the Fibonacci Sequence is not just found in "structure" but also in animal behavior.
Yeah, and I'm still confused as to why you stopped at this specific level of granularity, given that you can find plenty of other repeated patterns in the natural world too: lots of things in nature are green, and somehow- most likely through space magic- sometimes even the animals in those environments are green too! How did that happen?
Why stick to this Fibonacci Sequence stuff? Could it be that, though there are far more widespread patterns, none of them sound nearly as portentous and significant as the one that you can attach a special kind of man-made designation to, that makes it sound designed?
Seriously, think about it: if patterns are signs of design, don't you have better things to point to? Or are you just worried about how silly you'd look pointing to a bunch of similar colors and simplistic shapes and saying those are indicators of divine authorship?
It appears that you can't grasp the concept of the word "sequence". A sequence is never random...hence the word.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sequence
Quote:se·quence
noun \ˈsē-kwən(t)s, -ˌkwen(t)s\
: the order in which things happen or should happen
: a group of things that come one after the other
so if nature behaves according to a sequence, then by definition it cannot be random.
randomly banging on the keys of a piano = noise, but in sequence = music
Oh, and speaking of music
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September 28, 2014 at 12:56 am
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(September 28, 2014 at 12:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: It appears that you can't grasp the concept of the word "sequence". A sequence is never random...hence the word.
Where did you get the idea Esq said (or implied) random? It is not in his reply.
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September 28, 2014 at 1:05 am
(September 28, 2014 at 12:56 am)Surgenator Wrote: (September 28, 2014 at 12:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: It appears that you can't grasp the concept of the word "sequence". A sequence is never random...hence the word.
Where did you get the idea Esq said (or implied) random? It is not in his reply.
Not only that, but random input into deterministic processes most certainly can produce ordered results. (Conway's " Game of Life" is a simple demonstration of the phenomenon.)
Describing natural reality as "random" without qualification borders on equivocation, and I'm being charitable.
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September 28, 2014 at 1:07 am
(September 28, 2014 at 12:56 am)Surgenator Wrote: (September 28, 2014 at 12:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: It appears that you can't grasp the concept of the word "sequence". A sequence is never random...hence the word.
Where did you get the idea Esq said (or implied) random? It is not in his reply.
(September 28, 2014 at 12:06 am)Esquilax Wrote: Seriously, think about it: if patterns are signs of design, don't you have better things to point to?
Either it's by design or its random....
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 28, 2014 at 1:08 am
(September 28, 2014 at 1:07 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (September 28, 2014 at 12:56 am)Surgenator Wrote: Where did you get the idea Esq said (or implied) random? It is not in his reply.
(September 28, 2014 at 12:06 am)Esquilax Wrote: Seriously, think about it: if patterns are signs of design, don't you have better things to point to?
Either it's by design or its random....
Wrong. False dilemma.
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September 28, 2014 at 1:10 am
If you flip a coin and get h-t-h-t-h-t is that by design or is it random Hugs?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 28, 2014 at 1:18 am
Regarding "randomness".
Is the function of gravity random? How about the electromagnetic force? Thermodynamics? Fusion? How about chemistry? Do elements combine to form compounds randomly without regard to their chemical composition and environmental conditions?
There certainly are some random inputs, and some apparently indeterministic behavior, but to characterize how science describes nature as "random" is absurd.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
September 28, 2014 at 1:18 am
(September 28, 2014 at 1:10 am)Rhythm Wrote: If you flip a coin and get h-t-h-t-h-t is that by design or is it random Hugs?
were not talking about an isolated case. It would be more like 1000 people flipping a coin and getting the same sequence, calculate those odds.
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