(September 28, 2014 at 8:15 pm)Jenny A Wrote: [Edit] Thank to Beccs one more question:

4) Why is it primarily a U.S. Christian doctrine only?

It's because all those European bastards sent their biggest head-cases our way.

Maybe Harold Camping and everybody else who've predicted the rapture were right every time. Just nobody they knew got taken and we all mistakenly thought they were pitiable loonies. With 7,000,000,000 people in the world, I'll bet that somebody is disappearing every day without an explanation. No explanation means goddidit in the sky right?

(September 28, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 28, 2014 at 9:24 pm)Jenny A Wrote: It is the rapture I'm asking about not the second coming. Do you believe in The Rapture?

Seriously? I am the only one who voted in Your poll, I voted yes and I answer yes to your first question. What about my single word answer is giving you so much trouble that you feel you need to ask me again?

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Maybe carefully read what I wrote again, all your questions have already been answered.

I asked again because you said ALL Christians believed in some form of the Rapture And that I know is false. I remember my confirmation classes better than that. You can cross the Lutherans off your list. And a quick internet search reveals that most denominations do not believe in it and that it is a belief found primarily in the United States.

So I ask for clarification because you may have some other broader definition of the Rapture.

From what I recall, we were taught that at the end times the dead would rise up out of their graves (which was why we weren't supposed to cremate or do autopsies). But no, no rapture.

(September 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Natachan Wrote: From what I recall, we were taught that at the end times the dead would rise up out of their graves (which was why we weren't supposed to cremate or do autopsies). But no, no rapture.

My husband's recollection of the pre-1970s Southern Baptists (yes he was raised "right") is that they were divided among the non, pre, and post minimalists. But the getting it right was not a doctrine upon which salvation depended.

Quote:4) Why is it primarily a U.S. Christian doctrine only?

Well.....LOOK at them!






Batshit crazy motherfuckers.

(September 28, 2014 at 10:39 pm)Natachan Wrote: From what I recall, we were taught that at the end times the dead would rise up out of their graves (which was why we weren't supposed to cremate or do autopsies). But no, no rapture.

I've always found religious prohibitions against autopsies since it will screw up their emergence from their graves as totally ludicrous.

A couple years (unless an extremely strong embalming solution is used) underground and the corpse will be totally putrified.

Totally.

And that putrefaction by anaerobic bacteria will do FAR more damage to the remains than the autopsy.

God has a big job on his hands bringing a modern day stiff back to life !!!!!!

I used to read the Left Behind books (teen versions) when I was a young, God-fearing child. If I were a Christian now, shit like that would make me embarrassed to admit it.

(September 29, 2014 at 12:15 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: I used to read the Left Behind books (teen versions) when I was a young, God-fearing child. If I were a Christian now, shit like that would make me embarrassed to admit it.

I read the first one because my In-Laws sent us a copy. I found it mostly unintentionally funny. The characterizations and writing style were less than mature, never mind the theology--- Our hero is an airline pilot, therefore you can trust he'll never be mistaken about UFO, ghosts, or supernatural.

I don't think it caused other readers of the book much embarrassment as I took it to the doctors office with me and not one but four or five eager Christians wanted to talk about what a good book it was. THAT did cause me some embarrassment.

But maybe you're right and thier. My poll has three responses and Drich's is the only Christian one. Not that we have many Christians here. But we do have a few.

(September 28, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(September 28, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Drich Wrote: Seriously? I am the only one who voted in Your poll, I voted yes and I answer yes to your first question. What about my single word answer is giving you so much trouble that you feel you need to ask me again?

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Maybe carefully read what I wrote again, all your questions have already been answered.

I asked again because you said ALL Christians believed in some form of the Rapture And that I know is false. I remember my confirmation classes better than that. You can cross the Lutherans off your list. And a quick internet search reveals that most denominations do not believe in it and that it is a belief found primarily in the United States.

So I ask for clarification because you may have some other broader definition of the Rapture.

The defination is provided in the link I supplied.

I also posted the defination to the orginal greek word that this doctrine originates, along with several scriptural references.

This word means to be suddenly taken. Even if a given denomination does not agree with the doctrine of rapture this word is also used in a broader context of the final resurection.

What most people object to is the suddenly taken part. Not the final resurection which the rapture doctrine is indeed apart of.

Why is this a U.S. and not a European doctrine? Because European denominations rely heavily on traditional church approval for exegesis of scripture/doctrine. (Most are,tied to some sort of religious leader. To countermand a basic teaching like this is to call into question the commpetance of their 'prophet.')

In the U.S. christianity is not tied to any one prophet/pope/doctrine. Which means we are free to go where ever the bible leads.