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The use of Religion to control, manipulate, and gain power
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 (September 29, 2014 at 1:40 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Yea sorry I really mess up my typing they are not extremely well of or rich, sorry. Fair enough. Though if that's the case would you agree that elders or leaders of christian churches should NOT be rich, according to their Bible?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson 
If I was an elder or a leader I would be giving away money to charitys and such, to set a
good example. You can't expect the congregation to give if you the minister doesn't give. I don't really know how much a minister gets paid, but I don't think it would be right if they are being given a lot. (September 29, 2014 at 1:51 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: If I was an elder or a leader I would be giving away money to charitys and such, to set a So.... "yes"?
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson RE: The use of Religion to control, manipulate, and gain power
September 29, 2014 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 1:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
They get paid, on average, a sum that would seem princely to John Q Citizen - especially given the requirement of the job, the necessary credentials. If we were all so lucky as to have marks calling us a minister - there would be far less want in the world. Your boy may -not- be getting paid as much as the average. That's what we call failing to properly exploit the market limitations. Maybe he needs to move on to greener pastures, where people will appreciate him, and the product he offers adequately?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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September 29, 2014 at 1:56 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 1:57 pm by C4RM5.)
(September 29, 2014 at 1:54 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:(September 29, 2014 at 1:51 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: If I was an elder or a leader I would be giving away money to charitys and such, to set a Yes (September 29, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: They get paid, on average, a sum that would seem princely to John Q Citizen - especially given the requirement of the job, the necessary credentials. If we were all so lucky as to have marks calling us a minister - the would be far less want in the world.I would hope they would donate a portion of their salary. RE: The use of Religion to control, manipulate, and gain power
September 29, 2014 at 1:58 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 1:59 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-and you would hope that the manager of a McDonalds ate at McDonalds. This clearly means more to you than it means to me. I'm really not all that impressed when someone gives back a portion of their wool to the very organization that provides them the opportunity to do more fleecing.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
If I was a minister I would give money as donations. Not all the money goes to the church, for example at my church we donate money to different charitys. Right now we are collecting money for the Iraq and Sudan crisis
RE: The use of Religion to control, manipulate, and gain power
September 29, 2014 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 2:09 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-and if you didn't keep up appearances no-one would continue giving money to the church. Look, I'm not criticizing the good that your church may do (though..I probably could) - I'm simply expressing that this in no way implies or establishes that those actions are not in their own best interests or free from self interest -first and foremost-. No church, no charitable actions by the church.
The pedestal -you've- placed the church upon is the problem, not the membership fees or how much they pay their salesmen C4. Somebody has to pay the bills, and if the boys in the office are talented at distributing the product they need to be paid (if, for no other reason, so they won't go elsewhere and move product for the competition).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I know at my church their aren't membership fees. What do you mean you could criticise the good my church does, a mean there is nothing wrong by helping the less fortunate.
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September 29, 2014 at 2:25 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 2:25 pm by Fidel_Castronaut.)
(September 29, 2014 at 2:18 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I know at my church their aren't membership fees. What do you mean you could criticise the good my church does, a mean there is nothing wrong by helping the less fortunate. You're right, there's nothing wrong at all. I'm fact it's a laudable aim and it shouldn't matter if you're religious or not. Poverty doesn't discriminate. However, sometimes a religious charity or FBO will insist on some sort of indoctrination process in line with the charity activities. That's one reason I never give to religious charities; only secular ones get my cash. |
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