(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: again we know the bible is valid because it is a map that puts a believer before God.
The Holy Spirit legitimizes the bible.

Belief in and submission to Allah puts Muslims before God. Following the five pillars of Islam legitimizes the Koran.

How do you reconcile this?

(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: What is being presupposed here?

The part where you believe you're talking to God and that he's telling you what you want to hear. How do you know you're not just having a dopamine rush from convincing yourself you're right? Or do you actually hear the Holy Spirit talk as opposed to experiencing a vague, happy feeling? Everyone who's always described the Holy Spirit always describes it as something vague and not really explainable.

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(October 11, 2014 at 9:39 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

(October 11, 2014 at 9:38 am)genkaus Wrote: But we have looked inside - many times. That is what thousands of surgeons do every day. Still no chakras.

People take apart computers every day, no evidence of software in there.

Bullshit. We can totally read the contents of a hard drive, just because we can't see the bits inside the drive by looking at the outside of it with our naked eyes.

You need a better analogy.

Drama Queen,
Wisdom is the beneficial application of knowledge.
But, you may ask- beneficial to whom?
This leads to the distinction between the wisdom of God and the wisdom of this world (system).

The ruler of this world according to the bible is Satan.
My buddy would say, "If it's popular- its' probably false".
Just turn stuff trumpeted by the various propaganda agencies around 180 degrees, or disbelieve anything they say and you begin to leave foolishness.

(October 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)DramaQueen Wrote: What is wisdom?

wis·dom
/ˈwizdəm/
noun
noun: wisdom
the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
synonyms:
sagacity, intelligence, sense, common sense, shrewdness, astuteness, smartness, judiciousness, judgment, prudence, circumspection; More
logic, rationale, rationality, soundness, advisability
"we questioned the wisdom of the decision"
antonyms:
folly, stupidity
•
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.
"some questioned the wisdom of building the dam so close to an active volcano"
synonyms:
sagacity, intelligence, sense, common sense, shrewdness, astuteness, smartness, judiciousness, judgment, prudence, circumspection; More
logic, rationale, rationality, soundness, advisability
"we questioned the wisdom of the decision"
antonyms:
folly, stupidity
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the body of knowledge and principles that develops within a specified society or period.
plural noun: wisdoms
"the traditional farming wisdom of India"
synonyms:
knowledge, learning, erudition, sophistication, scholarship, philosophy;
lore
"the wisdom of tradition"

Quote:Men like Mohamad and Joseph Smith thought they could, and have failed.

Actually, they did pretty good. Gullible fools are always ready to attach themselves to whatever stupid shit comes along.

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Men like Mohamad and Joseph Smith thought they could, and have failed.

If you can't legitimize holy spirit without the bible and you use the holy spirit to legitimize the bible, then you are guilty of circular reasoning. Which means, neither your bible nor your holy spirit can be regarded as legitimate.

What else you got?

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Be patient, there is a great judgement comming.

Got an ETA on that? Unless we hear from him, your testimony is regarded as hearsay and thus discarded.

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: For what reason? We have all been given this oppertunity. If you want a direct line then go through the step yourself. Because no matter what I say or do it will be explained away. There is no better proof of God than God Himself.

You claim you have a direct line. I don't believe you. Thus, the burden of proof is on you. If you can't prove it, stop making those dumb claims.

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe you simply do not understand the meaning or depths of the gifts being offered.

Nope - just don't consider them worth the price. Especially when I can get the same things much cheaper elsewhere.

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: I grew up in a buddhist household and I can most assuredly tell you that buddhist have thier share of the self righteous in abundance. This is not limited to Christianity.

Never said they didn't - but they have it to a much lesser degree than you Christians and they have more of the other qualities. As bargains go, they got the better of it.

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: How would a fool identify wisdom? If a fool sourrounds himself with foolishness, then foolishness becomes wisdom, and wisdom foolishness. So again what methods or steps have you taken to ensure that you are not blinded by the potential foolishness you have sourrounded yourself by?

Application of critical thinking - a concept foreign to you.

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Actually I have people who I employ who manage (among other things) my grammer in any formal written work I do. What I do here is not considered 'formal.'

Try asking your god for help. Or is your grammar beyond his power as well?

(October 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm)professor Wrote: The ruler of this world according to the bible is Satan.

Like I said in the OP: how do you know you can trust that? You were told not to listen to him without ever hearing his side. If one person did that to another, you'd be highly skeptical. If the government said "Don't listen to anything Edward Snowden says. He's lying.", would you believe them?

One-sided accounts of history are the least trustworthy.

(October 13, 2014 at 12:50 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Be patient, there is a great judgement comming.

Got an ETA on that?

June 12, 1757.

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(October 13, 2014 at 12:50 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(October 13, 2014 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe you simply do not understand the meaning or depths of the gifts being offered.

Nope - just don't consider them worth the price. Especially when I can get the same things much cheaper elsewhere.

Maybe you can point Drich and I to your font of Holy Spirit on the cheap.

(October 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(October 13, 2014 at 12:50 pm)genkaus Wrote: Got an ETA on that?

June 12, 1757.

Uh huh. There is no more reason to believe that than anyone else's unevidenced apocalyptic claims.

Why are there any Swedenborgians at all?

(October 13, 2014 at 2:08 pm)Chas Wrote: Why are there any Swedenborgians at all?

Daddy Swedenborg and mommy Swedenborg loved each other verrrry much...

(October 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: June 12, 1757.

Recall the witness.

(October 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Maybe you can point Drich and I to your font of Holy Spirit on the cheap.

Buddhism, for one.