(October 15, 2014 at 12:55 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: A/S/K, Atheists Seek Knowledge!!!

The atheists are asking, while religion simply pretends to have an answer, so it fails by it's own standards.

Atheist only ask questions that confirms their position. Look at 'fixing the bible' thread. Most of you still believe that Nazi Germany/Hitler was a christian state, despite the truth of History.

You guys like to toute yourselves as thinkers. When in reality you only think what people like dawkins tells you to think. That is why so many of you can not discuss a topic when it takes an unexpected turn like the 'fixing the bible' thread did.

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(October 15, 2014 at 12:55 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Your speaking in a past tense, therefore you did not 'do it right.'

I have spoken to hundreds of you personally (over the years and various websites) on what you have done specifically, not one of you has A/S/K'ed as outlined in luke 11. Not once. You all believe it to be about sincerity or checking off items on a check list. Therefore your efforts always have a start point and an end. This method disqualifies you each and every time.

... which is just a wordy way of begging the question.

it a simple way of pointing out that you did not follow instructions as provided.

what is the difference between baking a cake and a loaf of bread? The ingredience are basically the same, flour, milk eggs, butter, baking soda etc.. so why when following the directions of bread, do I not come out with cake?

Does this example begg the question in your opinion? If it does then maybe you should look up the term you are misusing, before I get the pleasure of doing it for you.

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(October 15, 2014 at 1:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Again, 'Free will' is an ancient greek construct and not mentioned in the bible. The bible itself says the oppsite in the we do not have 'free will.' Rather we are slaves that have been given a choice, that choice is redemption and ultimatly freedom from the ties that bind us as slaves.

In short we have been given one real choice in this life. Your christian friends are correct in why God will not violate this choice by provideing undenyable proof from the outset. Our whole purpose in this life is to be give a span of time to proove to ourselves where our hearts lie. (With God or with sin) This life is a prooving ground. If God gave undenyiable evidence from the on set then self preservation would kick in and people would elect heaven for the wrong reason. As it is only those who want to serve God elect salvation.

Am I reading this right? We need to be "willing slaves" in your interpretation!

Well that idea can fuck off.

...and that is what this life is all about. Making the choice you just made... (Or rather the sum total of your life in making that choice.)

So when you stand in judgement before God, you cant say 'well if given the chance I would serve you.'

Again Heaven/God is not a place where He serves you. You are to serve Him. Granted some will have better jobs than others but in the end it will still be an existance of service.

This is why satan rebelled and took 1/3 of heaven with him, because they like you did not want to serve.

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(October 15, 2014 at 1:07 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: Submit or go to hell? that's too Islamic for my taste

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(October 15, 2014 at 1:26 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote: God is not a 'feeling'. When I say direction I mean direction. http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html When I say protection I mean literal protection:http://atheistforums.org/thread-11671.html post 135 God/The Holy Spirit Is or can be an real time interactive part of your life. To the point there is not questions, or need or interpertation.

The same can be said about those who have 'experienced' other deities.
Unless you're making the claim that only the followers of Jehovah have claimed to have truly experienced their god.

that is an atheist myth. Most of you believe that all religions are basically the same. Christianity is unique in that it is the only one where God interacts with His followers as apart of day to day life.

No other religion has their God interact with the common man. Only Prophets and emisarries have that right even in OT judisim.

I am not saying common people of 'other religions' do not claim this, I am saying no other religion allows for this type of interaction in their holy books between thier various gods and the common man.

(October 15, 2014 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: Without a doubt I have no arguement that people who experience the unexplain so do. Why? Because God is not the only 'being' who can interact with us from that plain of existance.

From a Christian POV God or the Devil has this ablity. Satan is a deceiver by nature. Satan can claim just about anything. for someone who does not know any better, what other choice do they have but believe whatever the supernature tells them?

This begs the question...

If you believe that other beings can interact with us from some other plain of existence, and these other beings, Satan for example, are also extremely powerful, how do you know that you are not the one being deceived by said super powerful being?

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(October 15, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Drich Wrote: that is an atheist myth. Most of you believe that all religions are basically the same. Christianity is unique in that it is the only one where God interacts with His followers as apart of day to day life.

No other religion has their God interact with the common man. Only Prophets and emisarries have that right even in OT judisim.

I am not saying common people of 'other religions' do not claim this, I am saying no other religion allows for this type of interaction in their holy books between thier various gods and the common man.

The fact that all religions have different beliefs that make them unique is not a point in your favor.

Hinduism is unique. It is the only one where God burns your sins away in Narak, then allows you to live another life until you gain enlightenment.

No other religion allows for this type of interaction in their holy books between their god in Narak and the common man.

See, differences in unique beliefs do not make one religion any more credible than any other.

(October 15, 2014 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 10:48 am)Chas Wrote: Ah, presuppositionalism at its finest!
You presume it must work if it is tried, therefore I either didn't try or didn't do it right.

You always go full circular and you can never see it. Stunningly obtuse.

Your speaking in a past tense, therefore you did not 'do it right.'

I have spoken to hundreds of you personally (over the years and various websites) on what you have done specifically, not one of you has A/S/K'ed as outlined in luke 11. Not once. You all believe it to be about sincerity or checking off items on a check list. Therefore your efforts always have a start point and an end. This method disqualifies you each and every time.

Lovely, thanks. You have proven that your thinking is circular and you are too obtuse to recognize it.

(October 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm)Chas Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Your speaking in a past tense, therefore you did not 'do it right.'

I have spoken to hundreds of you personally (over the years and various websites) on what you have done specifically, not one of you has A/S/K'ed as outlined in luke 11. Not once. You all believe it to be about sincerity or checking off items on a check list. Therefore your efforts always have a start point and an end. This method disqualifies you each and every time.

Lovely, thanks. You have proven that your thinking is circular and you are too obtuse to recognize it.

Somehow he never managed to prove that to your satisfaction during any of the previous occassions when he presumed to open his mouth on just about any subject?

There is something that Paul said which pertains here.
He said WHEN the Jews turn to the Lord, the veil over their minds is lifted.

Drich explained the biblical sequence of seeking/finding more than once.
How is it that you guys don't see it?
The same veil found it's way here?

Why would God put the veil there in the first place?

One of the voices in my head tells me it's Odin.

Why should I doubt the voices in my head?

(except Jerry - he's a cunt!)

So GC isn't coming back, but he saw fit to drop a turd in our swimming pool.

Charming.

(October 15, 2014 at 4:43 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: So GC isn't coming back, but he saw fit to drop a turd in our swimming pool.

Charming.

I guess it results from the common christain trait which also enables christians who predicted rapture or end of the world to show their faces without ambarassement, much less evidence of being chastened, after the "rapture by" date?

(October 15, 2014 at 4:16 pm)professor Wrote: There is something that Paul said which pertains here.
He said WHEN the Jews turn to the Lord, the veil over their minds is lifted.

Drich explained the biblical sequence of seeking/finding more than once.
How is it that you guys don't see it?
The same veil found it's way here?

Interesting that you mention Paul, who according the Bible, found God without having to utilize A/S/K. He had his 'Damascus road experience'.

Why don't I, or any other atheist here, deserve a 'Damascus road experience'?

Why are we extremely handicapped by our lack of gullibility? Why do we have to follow some ritual from an ancient text in order to conjure up some sort of magical communication (never defined in what form this communication will take) with this alleged god?