(October 15, 2014 at 2:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: This begs the question...

If you believe that other beings can interact with us from some other plain of existence, and these other beings, Satan for example, are also extremely powerful, how do you know that you are not the one being deceived by said super powerful being?

The answer is deceptively simple. Deception requires lies/deceit. God makes promises in the bible, He keeps said promises. Therefore we/I have not been deceived.

Quote:The fact that all religions have different beliefs that make them unique is not a point in your favor.

it is when someone claims that all 'gods' seek a personal relationship with their various believers.

Quote:Hinduism is unique. It is the only one where God burns your sins away in Narak, then allows you to live another life until you gain enlightenment.

No other religion allows for this type of interaction in their holy books between their god in Narak and the common man.

i did not claim that Hindu gods seek a relationship with their believers did I?
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(October 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm)Chas Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Your speaking in a past tense, therefore you did not 'do it right.'

I have spoken to hundreds of you personally (over the years and various websites) on what you have done specifically, not one of you has A/S/K'ed as outlined in luke 11. Not once. You all believe it to be about sincerity or checking off items on a check list. Therefore your efforts always have a start point and an end. This method disqualifies you each and every time.

Lovely, thanks. You have proven that your thinking is circular and you are too obtuse to recognize it.

Then please, explain how pointing out that not following instructions is circular reasoning. If I am indeed engaged in circular reasoning this should be very easy for you to do.

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(October 15, 2014 at 4:18 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Why would God put the veil there in the first place?

What have I explained the whole point of this life to be?

It is to prove to ourselves whether or not we would seek to serve God or if we seek God to serve us.
(Whether or not we want to love God for God, or whether we seek God because we like the alternative even less)

If we have full knoweledge of the glory (absolute unsolicited proof) of God from birth, then what would the point of this life be?

As it is we have proof of God when we A/S/K. It's not as if The veil is perminate. The veil seperates those who want to know from those who do not, so at our judgement we will know where we truly stand and know that whatever our fate God's judgement will be fair and just.

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(October 15, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Beccs Wrote: One of the voices in my head tells me it's Odin.

Why should I doubt the voices in my head?

(except Jerry - he's a cunt!)

Research it honestly, Test your voice and Odin. If Odin full fills everything he has promised, then follow him till he fails you. Then move on to the next.

(October 15, 2014 at 9:55 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Beccs Wrote: One of the voices in my head tells me it's Odin.

Why should I doubt the voices in my head?

(except Jerry - he's a cunt!)

Research it honestly, Test your voice and Odin. If Odin full fills everything he has promised, then follow him till he fails you. Then move on to the next.

I did exactly as you said for your Jesus character. He failed. So I moved on.

(October 15, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 9:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Research it honestly, Test your voice and Odin. If Odin full fills everything he has promised, then follow him till he fails you. Then move on to the next.

I did exactly as you said for your Jesus character. He failed. So I moved on.

^^^This^^^

(October 15, 2014 at 4:58 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Interesting that you mention Paul, who according the Bible, found God without having to utilize A/S/K. He had his 'Damascus road experience'.

What Are you talking about? Saul of Tarsus did everything he knew to do to seek out and serve God. Saul's conversion on the Damascus road was to redirect his efforts and place him in line with the will God he was seeking to serve to begin with.

Quote:Why don't I, or any other atheist here, deserve a 'Damascus road experience'?

are you a profit? Do you want to be? Die a marytar? Live and have nothing

Quote:Why are we extremely handicapped by our lack of gullibility? Why do we have to follow some ritual from an ancient text in order to conjure up some sort of magical communication (never defined in what form this communication will take) with this alleged god?

Pride.

You have it God despises it, and you must check it before God will have anything to do with you/us.

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(October 15, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 4:16 pm)professor Wrote: There is something that Paul said which pertains here.
He said WHEN the Jews turn to the Lord, the veil over their minds is lifted.

Drich explained the biblical sequence of seeking/finding more than once.
How is it that you guys don't see it?
The same veil found it's way here?

Perhaps you should be inspired by our example of how easily it is to see that it is not there, and stop listening to the only 2 pieces of idiocy more idiotic then you, Drich and the bible.

And, if your wrong?

Think about it. If my experience with God was as empty as your own, why would I be standing with Him?

What if.. Our/Christianity experience with God is not as empty as what you know?

Quote:It is to prove to ourselves whether or not we would seek to serve God or if we seek God to serve us.

Incompetence. How about people who are interested in neither?

-and didn't you make this same ridiculous claim regarding the unique nature of christianity in another thread.......?

(October 15, 2014 at 5:52 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It is indeed begging the question, to wit: you're citing the Bible's recipe to find god, when it is the veracity of that evil book that is in question. Also, if you have to believe in god in order to see him, then you're requiring presupposition.

i gave you an oppertunity to correct your self now it's my turn. We start with a proper definition.

The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question

The 'proposition' is a method in which proof is obtained.
Again it is a receip. If one follows the receip then one gets what the receip provides, if one does not follow the receip then one can not expect to receive what the receip provides.
So no question begging here, just a strait forward question. Did you (yes or no) A/S/k as outlined in Luke 11?

Quote:So your god isn't even smart enough to figure out that he'd get more followers if he actually showed up every so often ... why should I worship a dingbat like that?

What makes you think it's about volume? In your search for a wife are you looking to marry every man woman and child on the planet? Or is there just one who meets the criteria you are looking for?

Jesus uses this analogy in several places. The 'one' He is looking for is the Church.

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(October 15, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Drich Wrote: No other religion has their God interact with the common man. Only Prophets and emisarries have that right even in OT judisim.

Quote:It looks like Adam, Eve, Moses, Noah, and a host of others didn't get that memo.

Cherry-picking run amok, uprooting entire trees.

its like talking to a box of rocks...

Are you not familiar with the term 'common man?'

None of the above are considered to be common. They were all set apart from the common men of their time.

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(October 15, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 9:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Research it honestly, Test your voice and Odin. If Odin full fills everything he has promised, then follow him till he fails you. Then move on to the next.

I did exactly as you said for your Jesus character. He failed. So I moved on.

So?

Or are you telling me this so we can re-examine what it is you 'did for me jesus character?'[/quote]

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(October 15, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I did exactly as you said for your Jesus character. He failed. So I moved on.

^^^This^^^

^^^^that^^^^

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(October 15, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

Quote:It is to prove to ourselves whether or not we would seek to serve God or if we seek God to serve us.

Incompetence. How about people who are interested in neither?

Do you want to serve God?

If your answer is not yes then it's no.. For all those who answer no directly or by default, you will be happy to know God has a plan for you, so you do not have to serve Him for eternity.

(October 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I did exactly as you said for your Jesus character. He failed. So I moved on.

So?

So your God failed your promises test. Therefore, he doesn't exist just like Odin doesn't exist.

Quote:Or are you telling me this so we can re-examine what it is you 'did for me jesus character?'

What??? How about you examine your own delusions before claiming I have one.

(October 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm)Drich Wrote: And, if your wrong?

Think about it. If my experience with God was as empty as your own, why would I be standing with Him?

What if.. Our/Christianity experience with God is not as empty as what you know?

What if you are standing with the nothing that you imagine to be God because you are below average in meaningful education, and above average in gullibility and stupidity, and had immunized yourself to useful self awareness by conceit and wishthinking?

(October 15, 2014 at 6:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(October 15, 2014 at 4:18 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Why would God put the veil there in the first place?

To protect you from the brilliance of His countenance.

He could perhaps equip is to accommodate that ... assuming he'[/size]s able to do so.

facile comments merit facile replies

(October 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote: The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question

The 'proposition' is a method in which proof is obtained.
Again it is a receip. If one follows the receip then one gets what the receip provides, if one does not follow the receip then one can not expect to receive what the receip provides.
So no question begging here, just a strait forward question. Did you (yes or no) A/S/k as outlined in Luke 11?

You haven't addressed my issue with your argument, which is that you've stated that faith is the requirement for an answer, which is where the question-begging lays.

(October 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes you think it's about volume? In your search for a wife are you looking to marry every man woman and child on the planet? Or is there just one who meets the criteria you are looking for?

Jesus uses this analogy in several places. The 'one' He is looking for is the Church.

If I want to marry even one woman, I've got to show up, with a stiff'un and a little dough. Your god isn't smart enough to reckon that the skeptics that you allege he himself created might be convinced by a press conference. By not showing himself, he knows that he damns millions to Hell. But hey, flashbulbs are annoying, right? He can't be bothered.

Your little god is entirely absent. Aside from the evil attributed him in your Bible, he is unworthy of worship for that reason alone: he is AWOL.

(October 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote:

Thump Wrote:It looks like Adam, Eve, Moses, Noah, and a host of others didn't get that memo.

Cherry-picking run amok, uprooting entire trees.

its like talking to a box of rocks...

Are you not familiar with the term 'common man?'

None of the above are considered to be common. They were all set apart from the common men of their time.

By whom? Your god? That's question-begging; we'll disregard that. By you? Why should I care one whit what you say? You clearly have no ability to explicate a coherent worldview. You can natter on about your version of Christianity, a version which you yourself have admitted isn't mainstream, and yet you cannot persuade anyone of anything beyond the fact that you're incoherent.

No, they were men, they were allegedly spoken to by your god, and you have to reinterpret your own Bible in order to support your little whack-job corner of Christianity.