(October 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 5:53 pm)trmof Wrote: I may have already asked you before in another thread, but what would God have to do to prove to you that he exists? How high is your bar set.

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No, they are not. You don't get to define the characteristics of a supposedly fictional character that you did not create, just as you are not able to decide that Harry Potter is a purple giraffe without people correcting you.

You did ask, and I answered you. Yes, the bar is set pretty high (higher, at least, than the set of increasingly coincidental occurrences you referred to in your video): If people told me that they were going to pray to a particular god to re-grow my left eye and have it fully functional, and it happened, I would believe in that god. I had high hopes for Odin, but that came a cropper as well.

The difference between Allah and Jehovah is not a definitional one, but a semantic one. Bibles printed in Arabic us 'Allah' as a transliteration of 'God'. Both names refer to the God of Abraham (this is why the Big Three are called 'The Abrahamic Religions'). Differences between Allah and YHWH seem to be restricted to differences in worship and interpretation, and the case can be made that they aren't a lot greater than the differences between Catholicism and some of the more sedate Protestant franchises.

Boru

This is what most Muslims believe, it is not what most Christians believe. I am a Christian, and we are using my definition of God. If you'd like to use another that's fine, just as long as you note the difference.

Quote:Hundreds of millions of people died under explicitly atheist regimes during the 20th century. If you think there is no evidence for that, I suggest you visit some mass graves some time.

Hitchens makes a pretty compelling case that the so-called 'atheist regimes' are functionally no different than theocracies. This is particularly true in societies like Stalinist Russia and the current nightmare than is North Korea. They simply use a political figure in place of a divine one and oppressive bureaucracies in place of a traditional church. A 'cult of personality' is still a cult.

Boru

(October 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm)trmof Wrote: The upper-case one. As for patents, there is no mention in the Bible of any kind of patent law. My god believes in the free exchange of information.

Our laws are not based on the Bible, and libertarianism is a toy philosophy.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Chas Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:19 pm)trmof Wrote: Hundreds of millions of people died under explicitly atheist regimes during the 20th century. If you think there is no evidence for that, I suggest you visit some mass graves some time.

You have provided no evidence for your claims that any of them were 'hard atheists' or that that was what motivated them.

You are not very good at critical thinking.

And you are delusional.

I am not required to provide evidence for their motivations as no such evidence exists.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:29 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You did ask, and I answered you. Yes, the bar is set pretty high (higher, at least, than the set of increasingly coincidental occurrences you referred to in your video): If people told me that they were going to pray to a particular god to re-grow my left eye and have it fully functional, and it happened, I would believe in that god. I had high hopes for Odin, but that came a cropper as well.

The difference between Allah and Jehovah is not a definitional one, but a semantic one. Bibles printed in Arabic us 'Allah' as a transliteration of 'God'. Both names refer to the God of Abraham (this is why the Big Three are called 'The Abrahamic Religions'). Differences between Allah and YHWH seem to be restricted to differences in worship and interpretation, and the case can be made that they aren't a lot greater than the differences between Catholicism and some of the more sedate Protestant franchises.

Boru

This is what most Muslims believe, it is not what most Christians believe. I am a Christian, and we are using my definition of God. If you'd like to use another that's fine, just as long as you note the difference.

lol, it isn't a matter of belief, but of historio-linguistics. What you believe (in this case, at least) doesn't matter a tinker's damn.

Boru

(October 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm)Chas Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm)trmof Wrote: The upper-case one. As for patents, there is no mention in the Bible of any kind of patent law. My god believes in the free exchange of information.

Our laws are not based on the Bible, and libertarianism is a toy philosophy.

You seem to enjoy dismissing things much more than having conversations of more than one or two sentences. You also repeat yourself a lot. It makes one wonder why you spend your time on a discussion forum in the first place.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm)trmof Wrote: I am not required to provide evidence for their motivations as no such evidence exists.

Wow!

Now you've convinced me.

And still, how about your opinion that many christians believe in the existence of many gods in light of this. Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

How does that compute exactly?

Again, I'm not letting you off the hook.

Are you really that big of an idiot? Do you truly believe you can just say what the fuck you want without evidence and taken as a participant in a discussion miderately worth of the most offhanded notice?


You are require to make no contraversal assertions if evidence does not exist. You are required to provide evidence if you make contraversal.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:29 pm)trmof Wrote: This is what most Muslims believe, it is not what most Christians believe. I am a Christian, and we are using my definition of God. If you'd like to use another that's fine, just as long as you note the difference.

lol, it isn't a matter of belief, but of historio-linguistics. What you believe (in this case, at least) doesn't matter a tinker's damn.

Boru

No, you are positing they are the same because a religious book says so. Allah was the name of a Persian pagan moon god long before the existence of Islam or any connection to Judeo-Christianity.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Chuck Wrote: Are you really that big of an idiot? Do you truly believe you can just say what the fuck you want without evidence and taken as a participant in a discussion miderately worth of the most offhanded notice?


You are require to make no contraversal assertions if evidence does not exist. You are required to provide evidence if you make contraversal.

What assertion did I make that was controversial?

(October 27, 2014 at 6:33 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm)Chas Wrote: Our laws are not based on the Bible, and libertarianism is a toy philosophy.

You seem to enjoy dismissing things much more than having conversations of more than one or two sentences. You also repeat yourself a lot. It makes one wonder why you spend your time on a discussion forum in the first place.

You need a position Substantive enough to not be dismissable in a word or two in order to participate in any discussion, you fuckwit!