(October 31, 2014 at 8:00 am)professor Wrote: Lemon, pay attention.
The God of Heaven is the Creator, the same as Elohim / Yahweh / Yeshua.
All others are Satan in disguise.
The acts of God are varied and in response to varied behavior of His creation.

He is leaving you to seek for Him rather than swallow the orthodoxy of Popery or Islam
or Mariology or eastern religion or any other view of life (including atheism).

Now you ask, about the right of God to reject those who reject Him? (that really is your question).
The same right you have to reject those who reject you.

God isn't simply rejecting me, he is sentencing me, for something he did. And can your prove that elohim and yehwah are the same? If so then why the different names? The early hebrews that lived in Canaan seemed to think they different gods. And can you prove that all other gods are Satan in disguise? If so why would god allow Satan to force him into torturing billions? Freewill? Eliminating Satan from this equation after the fall has no effect on freewill at all.

I'd tell god that I had better things to do than play hide and seek.

I'd tell the guy I led a good life, even though I didn't believe in him. If he wants to condemn me I'd make him a wager; take on the form of humans nobody knows, do a debate, if he wins I go to hell, if I win I get to redesign God's justice system.

Hi Stimbo.
How many apples does one need to eat, to forever recognize the taste of an apple?
Can you describe the taste of one to someone else?
Can't be done can it?

How can we describe spiritual understanding to those who are materialists?
We try, but maybe it can't be done.

The Lord says to us all to taste and see that the Lord is good.
Just like the illustration of the apple -
WE have to do the tasting.

Ryan, there was a time when you were childlike.
You were no smarter then, than you are now.
Sometimes we need to go back before we can go forward.

Lemon, the real God has more names than those, but even for ourselves we are known by first and second names and respond to each.

During the Millennium the tempter will be stuffed away, and it says he MUST be released at the end.
He is a test. Apparently our Grade Finals require the tester to be here.

How do you know Satan has been eliminated after the fall?
We need to tell his worshippers about it. He shows up for them.

So basically, you don't know either but you want me to think that you do.

Ok then, let's take the apple analogy (or should it be i-nalogy?). You say that we - meaning I, I suppose - need to taste the apple for ourselves. Fine. So where are you getting the apple from?

If someone doesn't know the taste of an apple, give them an apple. Should be easy to do, since those actually exist.

If someone doesn't know god, show them god. Should be easy to do, provided he exists.

If he's the omniscient creator he is claimed to be, he will know damn well why I decided to reject his existence as plausible. I wouldn't have to say a damn thing; there is no defense strategy against an omniscient, omnipotent creator. He cannot be "appealed;" either he planned on accepting me for who I am (and supposedly made me) or he wasn't planning on it.

That applies to you Christians as well. If any of you actually have a defense strategy planned out (as Drich claims) in case you went about worshipping him the wrong way, that's indicative of a lack of faith in your own convictions. Stick to your damn guns and if you happened to be wrong, then accept it with humility. To do otherwise is a subversion to the beliefs you claim to hold.

That the wonderful thing about attonement through Christ and those who seek it out..

The same attonement offered to us when we willfully sin, is also offered when we "worship Him the wrong way."

Sorry to burst your bubble 'bub,' but we are covered.

One could (and many do) make the argument that all forms of worship (and much much else) are centered around the one true god, that others are simply "worshipping him the wrong way". In that sense, no one would stand before the fire for having believed in the wrong god, or no god- at all.

(October 31, 2014 at 11:02 pm)Drich Wrote: That the wonderful thing about attonement through Christ and those who seek it out..

The same attonement offered to us when we willfully sin, is also offered when we "worship Him the wrong way."

Sorry to burst your bubble 'bub,' but we are covered.

I wonder, you have an atheistic view of all other religions except Christianity, what do you do if it is Allah, Jahweh or Zeus judging you? Or perhaps a god that tested you on if you could come to the conclusion that atheism is the most reasonable position provided the (lack of) evidence?

Sorry if this has been asked before; long thread.