I blame bad wolf for this hahaha. Bye.

(November 23, 2014 at 2:13 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 1:28 pm)MusicLovingAtheist Wrote: I just don't understand the mentality behind people who are all about demonizing school shooters. They're obviously some kids who are either deviant or just extremely disturbed. I just don't see what kind of ethics are behind acting so sanctimonious like you're so much better than a school shooter. So people go over seas and kill people all the time. People kill people in the electric chair, people kill each other at school. What's the difference in your eyes? I don't see a seamless ethic here on your part, people who hate school shooters. Eric (Dylan's friend) once said that "there is no such thing as good or evil, it's all relative to the observer".

I have never gone up to someone and killed them.

By that simple fact I'm better than the pieces of shit that go on killing sprees.

Um I can understand the emotional reaction to an act of violence that affects you and or your family or friends. Without agreeing with the OP all I have said is that to REDUCE these types of events it is better to understand the CONDITIONS that lead to those events from a psychological or mental illness point of view. By understanding something, you are not excusing it, but by understanding it, you can then work to reduce those things.

I can say form myself growing up, not understanding my own sensitivity combined with my parents having an authoritarian "boys don't cry" and being dorky and never fitting in, and being bullied, I did a lot of destructive things. Now I survived it and grew out of it, but it did not help that most parents are not taught that their kids are not clones of them, and every kid is an individual. But because social memes can lead a parent to verbally abuse or strike their kid, while that type of fear based mentality can seem to work, other kids can internalize that abuse and act out without realizing it.

No the OP should not make anything like a killing spree seem acceptable. But there still is a psychology behind it and all crimes for that matter. You don't study those things to justify them, you study those things to reduce the conditions that might lead to those things.

Brian, I get your point. My first response was a thoughtful one. Then the OP said he admires school shooters and he wishes that sandy hook would have had no survivors, and I remembered the OP is a pathetic loser who never deserved a thoughtful response in the first place.

(November 23, 2014 at 6:37 pm)Losty Wrote: Brian, I get your point. My first response was a thoughtful one. Then the OP said he admires school shooters and he wishes that sandy hook would have had no survivors, and I remembered the OP is a pathetic loser who never deserved a thoughtful response in the first place.

^^^This^^^

(November 23, 2014 at 6:37 pm)Losty Wrote: Brian, I get your point. My first response was a thoughtful one. Then the OP said he admires school shooters and he wishes that sandy hook would have had no survivors, and I remembered the OP is a pathetic loser who never deserved a thoughtful response in the first place.

Crap, yea when you are saying he "admires" them that is a sign of severe mental issues.

(November 23, 2014 at 7:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Crap, yea when you are saying he "admires" them that is a sign of severe mental issues.

Or adolescence combined with the anonymity of the internet, in which case an angry and confused young person feels free to see just how far he can test authority before the ban-hammer starts to swing.

Or garden-variety trolling, of which we get our fair share. "(Awful/Evil person) was right" is almost guaranteed to get a few pages of replies.

(November 23, 2014 at 7:13 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(November 23, 2014 at 7:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Crap, yea when you are saying he "admires" them that is a sign of severe mental issues.

Or adolescence combined with the anonymity of the internet, in which case an angry and confused young person feels free to see just how far he can test authority before the ban-hammer starts to swing.

Or garden-variety trolling, of which we get our fair share. "(Awful/Evil person) was right" is almost guaranteed to get a few pages of replies.

I still think pathetic loser covered all bases quite nicely.

I never let trolls get to me too much (usually I can even see the humor in it), but this thread really got to me. I wouldn't mind seeing this whole thing deleted.

:hugs:

(November 23, 2014 at 4:50 pm)MusicLovingAtheistdateline='1416775845' Wrote: hey pissed off grandpa. my cousin's son died of cancer, my cousin's wife died of suicide, both of my grand parents passed away last year. you sound like such an ignorant prick.the fact that you think you have such moral superiority over me just shows what kind of mentality you're in which is "I'm right, you're wrong". How big of a power trip do you get from acting like you're so righteous over everyone. Ohhhhhhh, everyone look out, there's a big smart man coming through, everyone give him some space and respect what he says. My ass grandpa. I don't really care if you think I need to shape up because you're not really an authority. Fuck authority.

That's okay, kid. One day you'll learn: reality -- life -- is the only authority. But hey, I didn't tell you that you need to shape up -- I wonder what insights can be gleaned from your own self-image about such an obvious misunderstanding?

Anyway, this is not about "how smart I am" (trust me, I've said and done things as stupid as this) -- it's about how I've learnt a few things from the folks I've buried.

Now, maybe you have actually suffered loss (though I'll admit, your startling lack of empathy gives me grave doubt regarding that). Maybe you have had people you truly love die, and had to say goodbye forever.

Maybe.

But you clearly haven't learnt the lessons that such harsh events carry, given your cavalier lack of empathy for those grieving parents whose sole offense was sending their children to school.

When you return from this ban and look back into this thread, feel free to PM me, and we can continue this discussion publicly or privately, as you wish. I repeat my urge for you to get help. You definitely need it, because seeking answers on your own has you obviously floundering for a coherent worldview. Even this old idiot on an Internet forum can see that much.