(December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm)alpha male Wrote: BTW, you guys apparently aren't aware of this, but Jesus plainly taught that the law did not always reflect God's ideal on a subject, but rather included concessions to those it was given to:

Really!? This God's justification!? (in his ultimate sense of justice and goodness) "This is wrong, but instead of telling you not to do it, I'm going to give you detailed instructions on how to do it." If you don't want your child to put the damn penny in the socket, you don't give him an essay on which metal objects fit best in the power outlet.

This is the same excuse with slavery, and it's crap!

Disgusting. This is why religion has to die so that horrible people can't claim divine backup for their sick acts.

You still haven't defined morality. If you say any more about it without defining it, I'm done talking to you.

(December 2, 2014 at 3:56 pm)robvalue Wrote: You still haven't defined morality. If you say any more about it without defining it, I'm done talking to you.

Don't bother. He just does the wiggle dance again. Show me yours and I show your mine.

Fine by me, his silence does all the talking.

(December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Marching into a girl's country, killing her parents, and then taking her as your bride isn't an "arranged marriage."

An arranged marriage does not meet today's Western concept of consent, and so consummation would be rape by that concept.

(December 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm)alpha male Wrote: An arranged marriage does not meet today's Western concept of consent, and so consummation would be rape by that concept.

So what's your position on gay marriage, since you're obviously the tolerant who am I to judge guy?

(December 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Marching into a girl's country, killing her parents, and then taking her as your bride isn't an "arranged marriage."

An arranged marriage does not meet today's Western concept of consent, and so consummation would be rape by that concept.

I'm not talking about rape.
Under those circumstances, that's not even arranged by the standards of arranged marriages.

So he can convince a group of people to kill their neighbor for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week, but he can't convince people to treat other human beings as equal. He's either not very intelligent, or not very powerful. Either way, it's a wonder why anyone still bothers with him.

(December 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 3:41 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Marching into a girl's country, killing her parents, and then taking her as your bride isn't an "arranged marriage."

An arranged marriage does not meet today's Western concept of consent, and so consummation would be rape by that concept.

My husband's cousin is a Hasadic Jew( Yes, I know that sounds like the set up for a bad joke). His cousin's marriage was arranged. Both individuals were adult and had visited other countries. The bride and groom wanted their marriage arranged and seemed happy. An arranged marriage does not automatically mean rape as long as both people consent. I think that most people would agree with me so I have no idea what you are talking about when you say that by the "Western concept of consent' an arranged marriage would equal rape. How could it equal rape if the bride and groom both want to be married? That doesn't even make sense.

Forcing a young woman-who might be just barely past the age of puberty-to marry her family's killer is rape. The fact that you don't understand this is troubling.

I am actually a little afraid to ask what you mean by the "Western concept of consent'; however, I am going to take the plunge. What do you mean, alpha male by the Western concept of consent?

(December 2, 2014 at 3:43 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So..it's our fault that the rules God gave us were so shitty? Because of the 'hardness of our hearts'?

I'm surprised you find no-fault divorce to be a shitty law.

Still waiting for tolerant christian answers to gay marriage.