(December 3, 2014 at 8:52 am)Nope Wrote: Can you give the bible verse that says that Jesus was the angel that stopped the sacrifice? Why wouldn't the text call Jesus and angel?

He can't do this. The Jesus as OT angel bullshit is evangelical revisionism. He will likely play Bible hopscotch tying together unassociated passages. First he will site passages from the Gospel of John indicating that Jesus existed before Abraham and came before John the Baptist to claim that Jesus existed before his birth. Next, there will be some reference to Gideon and how the author switched from using 'angel of the lord' to just 'lord'; the conclusion being that this must mean Jesus.

Idiots like this conveniently forget that in the OT 'Lord' referred directly to God. At this point you'll hear some bullshit about the trinity. When you challenge that with the fact that trinity doesn't appear in the NT, you will be countered with a reference to the baptism formula in Matthew 28:19 (father, son, holy ghost). You then point out that all other NT baptism formulas only invoke the name of Jesus and that it is well established by biblical scholars that the triune reference in Matthew was a later Catholic insertion. This will be dismissed by the evangelical since the only thing worse than the devil is a catholic and understanding that the basis of their belief is based on a catholic forgery is too much to handle.

The easier answer is that the OT was written by Jews long before Jesus (fact or fiction) was on the scene; meaning that there is no possible way anything in the OT referenced Jesus. At this point there will likely be some bullshit about God being the ultimate author in some form or fashion or at least parading as a muse. I then get to ask why the fuck God doesn't know the cure for leprosy. Inane excuses will be given making the infallibilist look even more stupid than already established and great fun will be had by all.

Amen.

There's a similar example, where god is quite happy to see children sacrificed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt66kbYm...8E36541DA4

(December 3, 2014 at 8:52 am)Nope Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 1:02 am)Godschild Wrote: Issac went on to be a highly successful man and worshiped God. The angel (do you know what angel means) was God, Christ in this case. Christ appeared as an angel several times in the OT.

GC

Can you give the bible verse that says that Jesus was the angel that stopped the sacrifice? Why wouldn't the text call Jesus and angel?

The Book of Making Shit Up, Chapter 1, Verse 3

It's the same sort of revisionist shit that turned Satan into "that old serpent" from the garden of edam.

(November 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: So your in hell for one reason or another.
what would you do there?

My whole thing would be so this is it just fire flames eternal torture.
This in reality might be heaven for a masochist. But wouldn't
after awhile it would be the complete norm for a person oh
hey time to get burned alive again or well oh hey i'm getting
stabbed with a pitch fork again. While people in heaven
are the exact same opposite and its like oh hey its that 1
same harp song and it just keeps repeating. eventually
insanity would set in for people in heaven and in hell
if that is a routine schedule.

Your activities in hell would depend on which hell you were in. If you are in the Greek Hades it might be rather gloomy. If your are in the Islamic hell you are really screwed. If you are in the Christian hell it's not that bad. After all, you could have been in death or the sea. The good news is that you will get out of the Christian hell but Hades and the Islamic hell are forever.

Once you get out of the Christian hell on Judgment Day you might be able to get into the giant golden cube named New Jerusalem, but only if you are a member of one of the twelve tribes of Israel and can pass through one of their pearly gates. Otherwise you will be tossed into the lake of fire with the bad Jews and all of the Gentiles.

The question is like a cow asking what will become of it when it's killed. Some parts might become steaks while other parts will become hamburger. Its hide might become a man's coat, shoes, and belts. But it won't ever become another cow.

(December 3, 2014 at 12:13 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(November 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: So your in hell for one reason or another.
what would you do there?

My whole thing would be so this is it just fire flames eternal torture.
This in reality might be heaven for a masochist. But wouldn't
after awhile it would be the complete norm for a person oh
hey time to get burned alive again or well oh hey i'm getting
stabbed with a pitch fork again. While people in heaven
are the exact same opposite and its like oh hey its that 1
same harp song and it just keeps repeating. eventually
insanity would set in for people in heaven and in hell
if that is a routine schedule.

Your activities in hell would depend on which hell you were in. If you are in the Greek Hades it might be rather gloomy. If your are in the Islamic hell you are really screwed. If you are in the Christian hell it's not that bad. After all, you could have been in death or the sea. The good news is that you will get out of the Christian hell but Hades and the Islamic hell are forever.

Once you get out of the Christian hell on Judgment Day you might be able to get into the giant golden cube named New Jerusalem, but only if you are a member of one of the twelve tribes of Israel and can pass through one of their pearly gates. Otherwise you will be tossed into the lake of fire with the bad Jews and all of the Gentiles.

The question is like a cow asking what will become of it when it's killed. Some parts might become steaks while other parts will become hamburger. Its hide might become a man's coat, shoes, and belts. But it won't ever become another cow.

7 thousand years of torture and being burned i can live with it.

(December 2, 2014 at 8:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Cool story.
(do you actually believe in demons, btw?)

Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" "Legion," he (demon posssed man) replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they (demons) begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. The reason they 'begged' was they feared that they would be 'restrained' (tormented) like other demons that were currently confined to the abyss. (those particular ones were already abyss 'bound' for especially egresious acts during Noah's time awaiting their final judgement).

That doesn't answer the question.

If they ever do another edition of the bible, to make it more accurate, they should insert "allegedly" at the start of each sentence.

(December 3, 2014 at 11:30 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 8:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Cool story.
(do you actually believe in demons, btw?)

Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" "Legion," he (demon posssed man) replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they (demons) begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. The reason they 'begged' was they feared that they would be 'restrained' (tormented) like other demons that were currently confined to the abyss. (those particular ones were already abyss 'bound' for especially egresious acts during Noah's time awaiting their final judgement).

(December 4, 2014 at 5:58 am)Stimbo Wrote: That doesn't answer the question.

No it doesn't but it raises plenty of doubts about Snowball's mental stability. That is some bat shit weird stuff to espouse in this day and age.

If you can't get a nuanced perspective on your religious beliefs why subject yourself to a literal one? Surely you can be a believer without all this nonsense.