(December 6, 2014 at 10:01 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I know racism is a two way street, but historically whites have had more power than any other group, and they maintain that power to this day. There is more persecution coming from whites than going to them, which is why people can put up a video where a white guy attempts to break into a car, and a policeman that drives by thinks nothing of it. When his black friend does it, the policeman comes to investigate within two minutes, and already has his gun out of his holster.

If it had been a white guy, I doubt he would have been gunned down like that. I also down a white guy would have been choked to death for selling taxless cigs either.

I don't know, but I feel insulted when people keep blaming the whites, its nothing to do with the colour of the skin, you get bad in all colours, if the blacks were first advanced like the whites were back then, then it would be the other way around.

Maybe so, but it isn't. In reality it's the whites holding the blacks and other minorities down for the most part. Like the study that showed if you have a nice application with a black name, you may not get any hits. Change only the name to a white name, and you get lots of them.

(December 6, 2014 at 10:14 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 10:01 pm)psychoslice Wrote: I don't know, but I feel insulted when people keep blaming the whites, its nothing to do with the colour of the skin, you get bad in all colours, if the blacks were first advanced like the whites were back then, then it would be the other way around.

Maybe so, but it isn't. In reality it's the whites holding the blacks and other minorities down for the most part. Like the study that showed if you have a nice application with a black name, you may not get any hits. Change only the name to a white name, and you get lots of them.

No I don't agree, its about time we stop this crap blaming each other, it just make the situation worse. One white person does something wrong and all whites are blamed, you must be able to see that.

(December 6, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Why are you touting information about Australia as support for your claims about America?

Because I'm more aware of local prison population demographics, and the fact that Aboriginal people tend to be more likely to be incarcerated, but that their crimes are also different and so typically their average sentences are shorter so that when you look at it by volume of individual people it turns out a person who is Aboriginal is around ten times more likely to be incarcerated than a person who isn't.

And the fact that we have such a huge difference in this proves it isn't down to police persecution.

(December 6, 2014 at 11:28 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 10:14 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Maybe so, but it isn't. In reality it's the whites holding the blacks and other minorities down for the most part. Like the study that showed if you have a nice application with a black name, you may not get any hits. Change only the name to a white name, and you get lots of them.

No I don't agree, its about time we stop this crap blaming each other, it just make the situation worse. One white person does something wrong and all whites are blamed, you must be able to see that.

It's not one white person. There have been studies showing that racism is still alive and well. It's not the sole problem, but it's still a problem. Granted this is one of the more ambiguous stories of the three recent ones I've been hearing about, but you can't say race didn't play a part in this. It did. Even if he punched the guy, do you really think a white guy would be gunned down like that? You asked if the reaction would be the same if it had been a white guy, but I ask if it would have even happened with a white guy.

(December 7, 2014 at 12:06 am)Aractus Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Why are you touting information about Australia as support for your claims about America?

Because I'm more aware of local prison population demographics, and the fact that Aboriginal people tend to be more likely to be incarcerated, but that their crimes are also different and so typically their average sentences are shorter so that when you look at it by volume of individual people it turns out a person who is Aboriginal is around ten times more likely to be incarcerated than a person who isn't.

In other words, judging apples by the standards of the orange.

(December 7, 2014 at 12:06 am)Aractus Wrote: And the fact that we have such a huge difference in this proves it isn't down to police persecution.

Please spell out your reasoning, step-by-step.

For what it's worth, as an American member of an interracial family, I'm not really inclined to lend much credence to someone who is so unfamiliar with our culture that they think of blacks as "rednecks". Make sure you dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s, and while you're at it, let us know how much direct experience you have with American culture, particularly as regards race.

(December 7, 2014 at 12:56 am)Chad32 Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 11:28 pm)psychoslice Wrote: No I don't agree, its about time we stop this crap blaming each other, it just make the situation worse. One white person does something wrong and all whites are blamed, you must be able to see that.

It's not one white person. There have been studies showing that racism is still alive and well. It's not the sole problem, but it's still a problem. Granted this is one of the more ambiguous stories of the three recent ones I've been hearing about, but you can't say race didn't play a part in this. It did. Even if he punched the guy, do you really think a white guy would be gunned down like that? You asked if the reaction would be the same if it had been a white guy, but I ask if it would have even happened with a white guy.

Na, your racist, you have already made your mind up and nothing is going to change that, where I see good and bad in all race, people like you are the ones who keep this crap alive.

(December 6, 2014 at 11:28 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 10:14 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Maybe so, but it isn't. In reality it's the whites holding the blacks and other minorities down for the most part. Like the study that showed if you have a nice application with a black name, you may not get any hits. Change only the name to a white name, and you get lots of them.

No I don't agree, its about time we stop this crap blaming each other, it just make the situation worse. One white person does something wrong and all whites are blamed, you must be able to see that.

No one is blaming all white people. This is seriously pissing me off. KNOCK IT OFF!

What blacks AND whites who get it are pissed off about are the averages not absolutes. ON AVERAGE the economic conditions affect blacks negatively more than whites. ON AVERAGE blacks are pulled over more. Blacks are MORE LIKELY to be injured interacting with police. And even if they make it to court, ON AVERAGE blacks get punished harsher.

NO ONE IS BLAMING ALL WHITES.

Even middle class blacks and wealthy blacks are MORE LIKELY to be pulled over by cops.

Stop pulling this crap. I am tired of it.

Saying a problem exists is not placing blame, it is saying we need to stop ignoring the problem. You don't have to be a bigot to be unaware of long term social conditioning that creates the climate that creates the conditions that lead to lopsided treatment of one segment of a population compared to another.

There blacks and whites that KNOW this is a problem, this isn't just whites blaming other whites. It is a real problem and you need to stop being scared of it and acting like you are the victim when you are not.

(December 7, 2014 at 1:48 am)psychoslice Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 12:56 am)Chad32 Wrote: It's not one white person. There have been studies showing that racism is still alive and well. It's not the sole problem, but it's still a problem. Granted this is one of the more ambiguous stories of the three recent ones I've been hearing about, but you can't say race didn't play a part in this. It did. Even if he punched the guy, do you really think a white guy would be gunned down like that? You asked if the reaction would be the same if it had been a white guy, but I ask if it would have even happened with a white guy.

Na, your racist, you have already made your mind up and nothing is going to change that, where I see good and bad in all race, people like you are the ones who keep this crap alive.

An unarmed guy gets gunned down, someone gets choked to death, and a child gets killed for playing with a toy gun, and you're trying to deflect the topic by saying that sometimes blacks do bad things to whites too.

Feel free to make a thread about some recent stories about black on white violence where the white guy dies.

(December 7, 2014 at 10:12 am)Chad32 Wrote: Feel free to make a thread about some recent stories about black on white violence where the white guy dies.

And the black guy getting away with it without even being indicted.

(December 7, 2014 at 10:16 am)abaris Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 10:12 am)Chad32 Wrote: Feel free to make a thread about some recent stories about black on white violence where the white guy dies.

And the black guy getting away with it without even being indicted.

Yes, how could I forget that important part?