(December 26, 2014 at 1:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(December 26, 2014 at 1:06 pm)Sionnach Wrote: There is no such thing as sound theistic reasoning.

Proof?

I might have misunderstood you in the thread about religious debate on the existence of god. Didn't you state that you thought that it was worthless to debate god's existence because religion is not logical?

(December 26, 2014 at 1:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(December 26, 2014 at 1:06 pm)Sionnach Wrote: There is no such thing as sound theistic reasoning.

Proof?

*Faith No More points at fr0d0

(December 26, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Jenny A Wrote: It's the purpose of Christianity and Islam anyway. But if you want to know why Christianity spread so quickly, that's it: immortality. Many religions didn't have any belief in an afterlife: Judaism and most of the pagan religions didn't or at least not in anyway that made the afterlife the point of the religion. Help in this world, not the next, was the original point of religion as far as I can tell.

I was talking about todays Abrahamic religions.

The only old religion believing in a rewarding afterlife was the Egyptian. They had their own version of the judgment day after all and their priests made good money by selling the book of the dead to the believers. Kind of a tourist guide to the judgment hall and a dictionary of how to answer when asked specific questions. Did cost about as much as a scribe made in a year. And scribes were pretty well paid.

So nothing has changed really, when it comes to make people believe in the afterlife.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Nope Wrote:

(December 26, 2014 at 1:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Proof?

I might have misunderstood you in the thread about religious debate on the existence of god. Didn't you state that you thought that it was worthless to debate god's existence because religion is not logical?

Yes you misunderstood. Belief in God is the subject, not proof of existence. Reason to believe is logical. Dismissing without reason is illogical, as demonstrated by our friends here.

'You haven't made your case' IS a reason.

No it's a lack of a reason. Like atheism.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it's a lack of a reason. Like atheism.

I'm sure you could say something dumber than that if you really tried. Maybe you're in a post-Chrismas mood or something. Maybe you should take a break. It's sunny where I am, a nice day for a walk. I'm stuck at work, but I hope you're not.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it's a lack of a reason. Like atheism.

How so?

I haven't read the entire thread. Has someone already mentioned that atheists won't promise a former atheist an eternity of torment for changing their opinion about God?

@Nope

Mister Agenda says that a good reason to believe that there is no reason that exists to believe in God is because he doesn't know of one.

I know of no reason why an elephant shouldn't be standing on my porch, so it must be there.

Not knowing is no good reason to doubt something. It's only a position of no knowledge.

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(December 26, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(December 26, 2014 at 1:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it's a lack of a reason. Like atheism.

I'm sure you could say something dumber than that if you really tried. Maybe you're in a post-Chrismas mood or something. Maybe you should take a break. It's sunny where I am, a nice day for a walk. I'm stuck at work, but I hope you're not.

You seem to be in a bad mood MA. I'm relaxing at home enjoying the company of my kids. Please don't think I'm attacking you as I'm not.