(January 8, 2015 at 1:40 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes, I'm saying that science is the only way to find actual truth about reality.

The claim that my wife loves me has never been scientifically tested. The claim that I love my wife has never been scientifically tested. Yet, those are true and are part of reality.

Some of you guys overstate the usefulness of science. It can be good at what it does, but what it does is limited.

I understand what you are getting at but it doesn't quite compare to god. You have physically seen your wife and observed her doing loving things for you so you have some evidence that she, at least, cares for you.

It is doubtful that you have seen god(I apologize if I am wrong). He hasn't done anything for you that you can directly prove was caused by him and not some other coincidence. You can prove that your wife does nice things for you because you can observe her do them.

Also, I am sorry about your dad's death. Having a parent die sucks no matter how old you are when they die.

(January 8, 2015 at 1:22 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 11:15 am)Spooky Wrote: Where is GC when we need him.

I asked him to not be a coward earlier today.

I think I scared him away.

The only thing scary about you is that pic of yourself.

GC

Oh snap, GC slinging some mic-dropping heat!

No, personal testimony is not evidence. Sorry. If that's all it took, anyone can just claim anything. You need to be able to demonstrate something repeatedly before its convincing to a sceptic. Multiple testimonies might be a starting point, but investigation is then needed.

The claim someone loves you is not falsifiable. You could discover them behaving in ways that demonstrate they don't, like you find them cheating on you. I'm not talking about absolute truths here. I'm talking about having access to some sort of test or data.

The claim someone loves you could be reasonably assessed with evidence, and you could come to a valid conclusion. I see no problem there. It's a scientific method of sorts, you're dealing with real evidence.

Can anyone even define God in a coherent way? I don't think we even got that far. Or spirituality, ghosts, anything you like.

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Apart from certain people who seem to have abandoned all reason and manners, this has been the most interesting discussion I've had with theists to date Thanks guys! I feel we're approaching the same page, almost. I've enjoyed it.

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Have any of those guys made a testable God claim then in that research? That's all I'm looking for here.

(January 8, 2015 at 1:40 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yes, I'm saying that science is the only way to find actual truth about reality.

The claim that my wife loves me has never been scientifically tested. The claim that I love my wife has never been scientifically tested. Yet, those are true and are part of reality.

Some of you guys overstate the usefulness of science. It can be good at what it does, but what it does is limited.

Love is the name we put on one of many emotions.

If you say you love your wife and your wife loves you, that is something that can be demonstrated by behavior.

They can also be tested by science. Functional MRI's for example can show certain parts of the brain lighting up with activity when someone is shown a photo of the person they love. It is always the same areas in the brain for all people.

Brain chemicals associated with love can be shown to increase when someone is in love.

All people are built with an inside antenna where by they contact the supernatural.

In the Bible this antenna is likened to a dove. Doves by their very nature are easily scared off.

1 Kings 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

Ignore the still small voice long enough and you will not be able to hear it anymore.

What's your evidence for this claim please?

And where is the evidence that the supernatural exists at all?

It's easy to just make assertions, not so easy to back them up.

(January 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm)strawdawg Wrote: All people are built with an inside antenna where by they contact the supernatural.

In the Bible this antenna is likened to a dove. Doves by their very nature are easily scared off.

1 Kings 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

Ignore the still small voice long enough and you will not be able to hear it anymore.

To my fellow Christians why do you try and explain God through the only process these people will accept, when you know that God doesn't accept their way of, as they put it, "we need absolute proof of God," thinking. You know good and well what the scriptures say,"we are to testify to why we believe," none of use came to belief because we had absolute proof of God and we can't offer anything other than what scripture says and our personal experiences. God has said that people of this ilk will find themselves before His throne of judgement. Yes there are a few to be reached here, it's why we stay, it's not for those who have sold their souls to the world. "What good is it to a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul," this would not be in scripture if there were no one to fit this description. Jesus said I have not come to save the righteous, but the lost and down trodden. We know what He meant by the righteous.

GC

Definition of God GC? Just to demonstrate what you are talking about? And if you're feeling brave, a claim that is testable?

Or are you full of hot air?

No one has even tried to define what the fuck a "God" is. Demonstrate that what is in your imagination when you think of God has any actual place in reality.