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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 5, 2015 at 12:03 am
(January 3, 2015 at 11:55 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 10:43 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Because they want to believe that chance couldn't produce such a magnificent thing such as the human experience and more so because life seems utterly vain if it is not progressing towards some goal in which their individual actions possess definite value for the distant future. the non-physical part of man gives everyone knowledge of God since they are made in His image.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm
(January 5, 2015 at 12:03 am)orogenicman Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 11:55 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the non-physical part of man gives everyone knowledge of God since they are made in His image.
Sadly first contact is going to be like that... They will be screaming demons because well they have the one track mind of humans being the only living sentient beings out there.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 4:33 pm
(December 27, 2014 at 9:56 am)Rhythm Wrote: You have to use smaller words Iatia, you say osmosis and Snow's head might fucking explode.
-Salt, Snow, all you need is salt to "regulate" what enters and exits a cell (you can use almost anything - but relative salinity will give you one of the more pronounced effects...which probably explains why it's so prevalent in living creatures - its how plants, for example: "pull water"). This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane. Gratz on this thread though, you've managed to erect a colossal monument to ignorance. I hope you never let it die. "This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane.' poor guy, suffering from a bad case of naiveté. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cell_m..._edit2.svg
but back to the original statement: that the cell and the cell membrane couldn't have evolved separately since the cell would need protection, and the cell membrane would serve no purpose without the cell, and would need the cell for it's construction. No one on this board could show science (which I know everyone on this board is so extremely infatuated with) could present how this is possible without preplanning. duel simultaneous evolution, really? so after this duet, the cell finds an opening the cell membrane, closes the opening and says we're 'good to go'.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 4:49 pm
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(January 10, 2015 at 4:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 27, 2014 at 9:56 am)Rhythm Wrote: You have to use smaller words Iatia, you say osmosis and Snow's head might fucking explode.
-Salt, Snow, all you need is salt to "regulate" what enters and exits a cell (you can use almost anything - but relative salinity will give you one of the more pronounced effects...which probably explains why it's so prevalent in living creatures - its how plants, for example: "pull water"). This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane. Gratz on this thread though, you've managed to erect a colossal monument to ignorance. I hope you never let it die. "This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane.' poor guy, suffering from a bad case of naiveté. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cell_m..._edit2.svg
but back to the original statement: that the cell and the cell membrane couldn't have evolved separately since the cell would need protection, and the cell membrane would serve no purpose without the cell, and would need the cell for it's construction. No one on this board could show science (which I know everyone on this board is so extremely infatuated with) could present how this is possible without preplanning. duel simultaneous evolution, really? so after this duet, the cell finds an opening the cell membrane, closes the opening and says we're 'good to go'.
Lets just put this to rest for fuck sakes... it only took me about i dunno 5 seconds to find this.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 7:50 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 4:49 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 4:33 pm)snowtracks Wrote: "This takes neither planning nor a fancy membrane.' poor guy, suffering from a bad case of naiveté. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cell_m..._edit2.svg
but back to the original statement: that the cell and the cell membrane couldn't have evolved separately since the cell would need protection, and the cell membrane would serve no purpose without the cell, and would need the cell for it's construction. No one on this board could show science (which I know everyone on this board is so extremely infatuated with) could present how this is possible without preplanning. duel simultaneous evolution, really? so after this duet, the cell finds an opening the cell membrane, closes the opening and says we're 'good to go'.
Lets just put this to rest for fuck sakes... it only took me about i dunno 5 seconds to find this.
not germane to the subject. gee, we got videos - put a sentence together- but if the best you do, we'll leave there.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 8:07 pm by IATIA.)
You are either not reading posts and links or you are just being stubborn and obtuse for the hell of it.
It has already been established that we can simulate early earth conditions in a laboratory and produce membranes, amino acids, RNA and anything else necessary to begin life and evolution.
It is somewhat difficult to compress billions of years into a couple, so it may be a while before we can create any major life forms. It is debatable whether or not we have yet created life. A virus, if I recall correctly.
Just because we have not done it, does not mean we cannot. 100 years ago, there was no way in hell we would ever get to the moon.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 8:06 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm)IATIA Wrote: You are either not reading posts and links or you are just being stubborn and obtuse for the hell of it.
It has already been established that we can simulate early earth conditions in a laboratory and produce membranes, amino acids, RNA and anything else necessary to begin life and evolution.
It is somewhat difficult to compress billions of years into a couple, so it may be a while before we can create any major life forms. It is debatable whether or not we have yet created life. A virus, if I recall correctly.
My bad.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 8:13 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 7:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: not germane to the subject. gee, we got videos - put a sentence together- but if the best you do, we'll leave there.
So, you ask for the science, get it, then refuse to look at it, but somehow still know that it isn't germane to the topic at hand, despite not having looked at what was presented to you at all?
Snowy, next time be honest and just say: "No thanks, I'm going to stick with my ignorance rather than examining the facts." 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 8:15 pm
(January 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm)IATIA Wrote: You are either not reading posts and links or you are just being stubborn and obtuse for the hell of it.
It has already been established that we can simulate early earth conditions in a laboratory and produce membranes, amino acids, RNA and anything else necessary to begin life and evolution.
It is somewhat difficult to compress billions of years into a couple, so it may be a while before we can create any major life forms. It is debatable whether or not we have yet created life. A virus, if I recall correctly.
Just because we have not done it, does not mean we cannot. 100 years ago, there was no way in hell we would ever get to the moon.
wonderful. now, what about the cell membrane and cell evolving at same time but each dependent upon the other?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
January 10, 2015 at 8:40 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2015 at 8:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Current cells are dependent upon current membranes. That you think this must have always have been the case just goes to show you haven't taken the time to educate yourself on the subject you feel qualified to opine upon. I have no qualms stating, upfront, that I am no biologist. If you were even nearly as knowledgeable as you clearly imagine yourself to be..then why should -I- (or anyone) have to or be capable of educating -you- on some basic shit? You need to reassess, and it shouldn't take any specialized knowledge for you to come to that realization yourself.
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