Jesus said "Just follow what you want to follow. Don't sweat the rest of it. All those things I said that you don't want to do, those are meant for other people. I love you no matter what because you're always right, so anything I commanded that inconveniences you, or makes you uncomfortable, you just don't worry about it".

You'll have to ask Drich where this quote is in the Bible, because it defines his entire approach to his religion. I couldn't find it, myself.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:23 am)Drich Wrote: I have been asked this question so many different times in my last two threads I think it should be posted once and for all.

It's real simple.

All canonical Jesus Christ centered religions are good.

Why?

Attonement.

The same attonement that is offered to us when we willfully sin is also offered when we are trying to love God with all of our heart, mind, spirit, and strength.

So this beggs the question who is right? Which version of Christianity is correct? None are. The thing is.. We don't have to be.

So what's the trick? One must have the attonement offered by Christ. According to Paul to his letter to the Galations, this 'gospel' is the canonical/biblical Gospel. All other 'new gospels' are false.

Therefore the only ones that fall under the Christian 'freedom of religion' are those who know and follow the Jesus/gospel found in the canonical scriptures.

Is that just a long winded way of saying 'Protestants.' ?

(January 14, 2015 at 12:23 am)Drich Wrote: I have been asked this question so many different times in my last two threads I think it should be posted once and for all.

It's real simple.

All canonical Jesus Christ centered religions are good.

Why?

Attonement.

The same attonement that is offered to us when we willfully sin is also offered when we are trying to love God with all of our heart, mind, spirit, and strength.

So this beggs the question who is right? Which version of Christianity is correct? None are. The thing is.. We don't have to be.

So what's the trick? One must have the attonement offered by Christ. According to Paul to his letter to the Galations, this 'gospel' is the canonical/biblical Gospel. All other 'new gospels' are false.

Therefore the only ones that fall under the Christian 'freedom of religion' are those who know and follow the Jesus/gospel found in the canonical scriptures.

http://www.awkwardmomentsbible.com/shock...the-prowl/

(January 14, 2015 at 11:57 pm)Drich Wrote: Cancer can be a gift. It can be the "foxhole" ( for the older members) that helps you save you from Hell.

First off: That's the most offensive fucking thing I've read in months. And I browse tumblr occasionally for amusement. That should tell you something.

That something is "Kill yourself with the nearest blunt instrument, and do it ducimo, do it slowly."

Second: My brother is a highly experienced combat veteran, and is in JSOCOM, a Ranger from the 75th 2nd Batt 3rd Co.

He's also an atheist, despite being in action since 2002.

So that "foxhole" thing is absolute bullshit.

(January 17, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: That isn't the real irony at all, though there are many great ironies at work here. One is that all three of you are interpreting the same text in different ways. Another is that all of you are certain that your methods of interpreting the text of the bible are the most accurate and correct. Another is that all three of you are certain the other two aren't doing it right. Another is that all three of you make the other two angry and are convinced that it proves you correct. Of course, none of you can prove any of what you say to any reasonable level of satisfaction, so the biggest irony of all is that you're almost certainly all equally wrong.

Not familiar with liberal or conservative interpretations huh?

Well in order for a Fred phelps to get a god hates fags message out of the bible he must cut and paste various passages from all over the bible, and pull them Together with a sermon. The same thing is done with a liberal message. I do things differently. In that I use whole chapters and even books to outline what it is I teach.

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(January 17, 2015 at 4:55 pm)dyresand Wrote: Dirch your not following the bible fully... in fact why aren't you threating us atheist with death or even threatening to kill us?
That is true Christianity.

Book chapter and verse dry sand.

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(January 17, 2015 at 5:00 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Jesus said "Just follow what you want to follow. Don't sweat the rest of it. All those things I said that you don't want to do, those are meant for other people. I love you no matter what because you're always right, so anything I commanded that inconveniences you, or makes you uncomfortable, you just don't worry about it".

You'll have to ask Drich where this quote is in the Bible, because it defines his entire approach to his religion. I couldn't find it, myself.

You truly can't be this dense.

Do you understand the following?

The law is more than a list of do's and don't's the law also includes attonement.

The do's and don't only make up 1/3 of the law. What of the other 2/3s? In your understanding of the bible it does not even seem that your aware of it. In your fail athesis version of the law, what do you do with the parts of the law that deal with repentance and attonement?? You know that parts that Jesus said would never go away?

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(January 17, 2015 at 5:12 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 12:23 am)Drich Wrote: I have been asked this question so many different times in my last two threads I think it should be posted once and for all.

It's real simple.

All canonical Jesus Christ centered religions are good.

Why?

Attonement.

The same attonement that is offered to us when we willfully sin is also offered when we are trying to love God with all of our heart, mind, spirit, and strength.

So this beggs the question who is right? Which version of Christianity is correct? None are. The thing is.. We don't have to be.

So what's the trick? One must have the attonement offered by Christ. According to Paul to his letter to the Galations, this 'gospel' is the canonical/biblical Gospel. All other 'new gospels' are false.

Therefore the only ones that fall under the Christian 'freedom of religion' are those who know and follow the Jesus/gospel found in the canonical scriptures.

Is that just a long winded way of saying 'Protestants.' ?

No, not all none Catholics fall into this group, just like not all Catholics are excluded from this group.

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(January 17, 2015 at 5:24 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 12:23 am)Drich Wrote: I have been asked this question so many different times in my last two threads I think it should be posted once and for all.

It's real simple.

All canonical Jesus Christ centered religions are good.

Why?

Attonement.

The same attonement that is offered to us when we willfully sin is also offered when we are trying to love God with all of our heart, mind, spirit, and strength.

So this beggs the question who is right? Which version of Christianity is correct? None are. The thing is.. We don't have to be.

So what's the trick? One must have the attonement offered by Christ. According to Paul to his letter to the Galations, this 'gospel' is the canonical/biblical Gospel. All other 'new gospels' are false.

Therefore the only ones that fall under the Christian 'freedom of religion' are those who know and follow the Jesus/gospel found in the canonical scriptures.

http://www.awkwardmomentsbible.com/shock...the-prowl/

Ooooo, burn!

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

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They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

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If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

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If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

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Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

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That enough, Drich?

(January 18, 2015 at 1:16 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 11:57 pm)Drich Wrote: Cancer can be a gift. It can be the "foxhole" ( for the older members) that helps you save you from Hell.

First off: That's the most offensive fucking thing I've read in months. And I browse tumblr occasionally for amusement. That should tell you something.

That something is "Kill yourself with the nearest blunt instrument, and do it ducimo, do it slowly."

Second: My brother is a highly experienced combat veteran, and is in JSOCOM, a Ranger from the 75th 2nd Batt 3rd Co.

He's also an atheist, despite being in action since 2002.

So that "foxhole" thing is absolute bullshit.

Oh, yeah? my cousin is a colonel in the Rangers, and he's the one who told me that. He said when ever they went into an area with known hostiles durning the push on Baghdad, the chaplains would come and offer prayers, not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

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(January 18, 2015 at 2:04 am)Roxy904 Wrote: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

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They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

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If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

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If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

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Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

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That enough, Drich?

You do know we are talking about Christianity and not OT Judaism right? Or maybe you don't understand the bible represents two different religions. It's real easy to seperate the two. Everything in the OT is considered to be the rules and law of OT Judaism, and everything in the NT is considered to be Christian by nature.

So no. What you posted is not enough because you haven't actually posted anything relevant.

So, did god change, Drich? According to the bible your god doesn't change

" I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

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"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

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"Whoever curses father or mother shall die." (Mark 7:10 NAB)

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Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. -1 Peter 2:18

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5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. -Matthew

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Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).

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Anything to say, Drich?

(January 18, 2015 at 1:56 am)Drich Wrote: Not familiar with liberal or conservative interpretations huh?

Well in order for a Fred phelps to get a god hates fags message out of the bible he must cut and paste various passages from all over the bible, and pull them Together with a sermon. The same thing is done with a liberal message. I do things differently. In that I use whole chapters and even books to outline what it is I teach.

You are not different from Fred Phelps in how you come to your conclusions. The only difference is the conclusions you've drawn.

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Quote:You truly can't be this dense.

Do you understand the following?

The law is more than a list of do's and don't's the law also includes attonement.

That's been my point all along. You say that you're atoning, but you know you're not being sincere. Someone who is sincere about atoning for not doing the dos, and doing the don'ts, will try with every fiber of their being, to model their behavior in the right way. Someone who is insincere will try to interpret the law such that their behavior doesn't violate it, or that the law itself isn't applicable to them. That is what you do.

Quote:The do's and don't only make up 1/3 of the law. What of the other 2/3s? In your understanding of the bible it does not even seem that your aware of it. In your fail athesis version of the law, what do you do with the parts of the law that deal with repentance and attonement?? You know that parts that Jesus said would never go away?

Would you accept the apology of someone who immediately returned to doing the behavior you didn't want them to do? If they never stopped? If they never had any intention of stopping?

Come off it, you fraud. You can't fool the omniscient if you can't fool me.