(January 18, 2015 at 2:22 am)Nope Wrote: So, did god change, Drich? According to the bible your god doesn't change

No he did not.

What you guys don't seem to get is that attonement is and always has been the key to the law. It's always been apart of the law. You can have a list of thou shalt nots without away to attone for those who do those thou shalt nots.

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(January 18, 2015 at 2:25 am)Roxy904 Wrote: " I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

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"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

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"Whoever curses father or mother shall die." (Mark 7:10 NAB)

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Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. -1 Peter 2:18

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5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. -Matthew

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Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).

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Anything to say, Drich?

Actually I have a couple of questions.
What is this spam of verses in reference to?
Why did you feel the need to quote several different translations?
Why are the quotes (some of them) incomplete?
Why have all of the. Been taken out of context?
What are you trying to say with this mess?

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(January 18, 2015 at 3:05 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 1:56 am)Drich Wrote: Not familiar with liberal or conservative interpretations huh?

Well in order for a Fred phelps to get a god hates fags message out of the bible he must cut and paste various passages from all over the bible, and pull them Together with a sermon. The same thing is done with a liberal message. I do things differently. In that I use whole chapters and even books to outline what it is I teach.

You are not different from Fred Phelps in how you come to your conclusions. The only difference is the conclusions you've drawn.

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Quote:You truly can't be this dense.

Do you understand the following?

The law is more than a list of do's and don't's the law also includes attonement.

That's been my point all along. You say that you're atoning, but you know you're not being sincere. Someone who is sincere about atoning for not doing the dos, and doing the don'ts, will try with every fiber of their being, to model their behavior in the right way. Someone who is insincere will try to interpret the law such that their behavior doesn't violate it, or that the law itself isn't applicable to them. That is what you do.

Quote:The do's and don't only make up 1/3 of the law. What of the other 2/3s? In your understanding of the bible it does not even seem that your aware of it. In your fail athesis version of the law, what do you do with the parts of the law that deal with repentance and attonement?? You know that parts that Jesus said would never go away?

Would you accept the apology of someone who immediately returned to doing the behavior you didn't want them to do? If they never stopped? If they never had any intention of stopping?

Come off it, you fraud. You can't fool the omniscient if you can't fool me.

Why can't you address the point I have made to you ten times now? Why do you keep skirting the issue? Is it your belief that I don't know that attonement is written in the law, or is it you do not know how to respond so you keep talking in circles in hopes that I follow one of your red herring topics and drop the attonement bit?

These verses were in reference to when you told the Bible quotes didn't apply because they are from the Old Testament.
Because of the sources I used, I suppose.
Which quotes are incomplete?
Go ahead, explain the context; most of them seem fairly easy to understand.
Let me explain it to you, okay?
The first quote is where Jesus himself states that the law still applies, and there are more of these types of quotes, where he still supports the law.
The second quote refers to how ALL scripture is apparently divinely inspired.
The third quote is talking about whoever talks crap about their parents deserves to die.
The fourth quote supports slavery.
The fifth quote is talking about how it's perferable for you to harm yourself, then to "sin". Or it's talking about rejecting Church members who disagree.
The last quotes were already explained.

(January 18, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Oh, yeah? my cousin is a colonel in the Rangers, and he's the one who told me that. He said when ever they went into an area with known hostiles durning the push on Baghdad, the chaplains would come and offer prayers, not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

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Reason this out drich. Pretend for a second you're a proud atheist serving and fighting for your country. You are now getting ready to take on a heavy fire fight... Bullets flying everywhere...

Do they still have bible verses on military scopes?

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What does an elected president of the country you're fighting for think of atheist?

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Just saying.

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(January 18, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Oh, yeah? my cousin is a colonel in the Rangers, and he's the one who told me that. He said when ever they went into an area with known hostiles durning the push on Baghdad, the chaplains would come and offer prayers, not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

Your anecdote doesn't cancel out his anecdote.

If God wrote at above a 3 years old's skill level, we wouldn't need to interpret his perfect words.

Let's have a look at how relevant jesus' teachings are:

http://youtu.be/5mLOUWl-L-s

(January 18, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Oh, yeah? my cousin is a colonel in the Rangers, and he's the one who told me that. He said when ever they went into an area with known hostiles durning the push on Baghdad, the chaplains would come and offer prayers, not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

His 'company?'

Lol. Yeah. Your cousin isn't a Ranger.

Colonels are brigade COs. Not company COs. Company COs are captains.

By the way, that's a little something we call "stolen valor."

By the way, chaplains do not offer prayers in the middle of a firefight. For one thing, they are unarmed noncombatants. For another thing, Rangers are not going to stop shooting the enemy to drop to their knees and start praying, and Rangers are not units that are supposed to stop and slog; they're QRF and light infantry, which means they move fast, hit fast, and kill fast. Finally, the Rangers did not participate in the push towards Baghdad; they were too busy dropping from planes to take over the Haditha Dam, known as Objective Serpent.

Your "cousin" would not be aware of the direct goings-on of his troops to such a detail as to say "none of them refused the chaplain," either, as he would be far too busy directing the operations of 1000+ men.

Did you seriously try to pull an SV on someone who actually DOES have family in the 75th? SERIOUSLY? You didn't think you would be called out?

You fucking liar.

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(January 18, 2015 at 9:44 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(January 18, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Oh, yeah? my cousin is a colonel in the Rangers, and he's the one who told me that. He said when ever they went into an area with known hostiles durning the push on Baghdad, the chaplains would come and offer prayers, not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

Your anecdote doesn't cancel out his anecdote.

His anecdote isn't even a real one; it's a blatant lie, and he's starting to seriously piss me the fuck off.



Soldiers from the Army's 1st Infantry in Iraq. As in, front-line infantry. As in, not support specialists, not tankers, not cooks and clerks; infantrymen. Ground pounders. Combat specialists.

My second cousin's ex-boyfriend's aunt has a brother who is a Commodore in the Navy Rangers, and he said that all the atheists in his battalion cried out "Oh Jesus Save Me!" when their boat came under fire in a foxhole.

(January 18, 2015 at 11:14 am)Davka Wrote: My second cousin's ex-boyfriend's aunt has a brother who is a Commodore in the Navy Rangers, and he said that all the atheists in his battalion cried out "Oh Jesus Save Me!" when their boat came under fire in a foxhole.

(January 18, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote:

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(January 18, 2015 at 1:16 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: First off: That's the most offensive fucking thing I've read in months. And I browse tumblr occasionally for amusement. That should tell you something.

That something is "Kill yourself with the nearest blunt instrument, and do it ducimo, do it slowly."

Second: My brother is a highly experienced combat veteran, and is in JSOCOM, a Ranger from the 75th 2nd Batt 3rd Co.

He's also an atheist, despite being in action since 2002.

So that "foxhole" thing is absolute bullshit.

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Oh, yeah? my cousin is a colonel in the Rangers, and he's the one who told me that. He said when ever they went into an area with known hostiles durning the push on Baghdad, the chaplains would come and offer prayers, not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

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(January 18, 2015 at 2:04 am)Roxy904 Wrote: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

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They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

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If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

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Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

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If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

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Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

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That enough, Drich?

You do know we are talking about Christianity and not OT Judaism right? Or maybe you don't understand the bible represents two different religions. It's real easy to seperate the two. Everything in the OT is considered to be the rules and law of OT Judaism, and everything in the NT is considered to be Christian by nature.

So no. What you posted is not enough because you haven't actually posted anything relevant.

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It is obvious you know nothing about the military. Chaplains do not come and pray during firefights. That would be suicide since the chaplains are not armed, and their assistants usually only carry a Beretta. Also, Rangers tend to have very specific missions, not fit for chaplain intervention.

Seriously, what fucking movie did your military education come from?

I don't think even the movies would depict something so unlikely as two opposing sides who are so civilized that they let each other have time to say a prayer to their respective deities before they start shooting.