(January 21, 2015 at 9:20 am)Drich Wrote: Ask yourself 'how does God work in this world? How is divine intervention typically accomplished?'

According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:37 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Hate to help out Drich here, but the 20,000 starved dead kids everyday might be signs of God's displeasure with something an ancestor done did wrong up to 7 generations back.

-or Not
Ezk 20:14 “Now, that evil son might also have a son. But this son sees the bad things his father did, and he refuses to live as his father did. He treats people fairly. 15 He does not go to the mountains and eat foods offered to false gods. He does not pray to filthy idols in Israel. He does not commit the sin of adultery with his neighbor’s wife. 16 He does not take advantage of people. If someone borrows money from him, the good son takes something of value and then gives the other person the money. When that person pays him back, the good son gives back what he took. The good son gives food to hungry people, and he gives clothes to those who need them. 17 He helps the poor. If people want to borrow money, the good son lends them the money, and he does not charge interest on the loan. He obeys my laws and follows them. He will not be put to death for his father’s sins. The good son will live. 18 The father hurts people and steals things. He never does anything good for my people! He will die because of his own sins.

19 “You might ask, ‘Why will the son not be punished for his father’s sins?’ The reason is that the son was fair and did good things. He very carefully obeyed my laws, so he will live. 20 The one who sins is the one who will be put to death. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. A good man’s goodness belongs to him alone, and a bad man’s evil belongs to him alone.

Quote:funny how begats get complicated over the centuries, perhaps the dead kids are Amelekites and god is living up to his promise in wiping them out, albeit, very slowly.

-or one may see humor in someone who clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.

Quote:all these dead kids are descended from Adam and Eve and original sin is all the reason God needs to off somebody in a tortuously painful bout of lifetime disease and famine

-or Orginal sin is not a biblicaly based concept.

Quote:God is doing another Job job on somebody and is offing all these kids to test someone else's faith

-Or you could just be a bad steward, who blames the position of relitive wealth and responsiblity you have been given, on the one who gave it to you, rather than doing your job..

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 9:20 am)Drich Wrote: Ask yourself 'how does God work in this world? How is divine intervention typically accomplished?'

According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Because.. god simply doesn't care

(January 21, 2015 at 11:40 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 9:45 am)Tonus Wrote: So god works through "stewards" who prove to be generally inefficient or unmotivated except in a few isolated instances, but it's not god's fault that things are in such a poor state in some parts of the world?

Again if you dad gave you a car and you wrecked it somehow is it your dad's fault for giving the car to you?

That's a non-sequitur. This is like your dad, who has a fleet of cars and a bunch of chauffeurs on the payroll, refusing to give you a ride to the hospital and blaming your death on the slow response by emergency services.

(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 9:20 am)Drich Wrote: Ask yourself 'how does God work in this world? How is divine intervention typically accomplished?'

According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Ok... Sooo if God's only people have ALL been cast out of the only region that could sustain that many people, and made to wander. who are the stewards that would step up and feed those wandering in the desert?

If there is no one then God steps in.

Here there are hundreds of millions of people who soceity controlls 2/3's of the world ablity to produce food.

So tell me again how this situation is the same as the exodus.

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:57 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:40 am)Drich Wrote: Again if you dad gave you a car and you wrecked it somehow is it your dad's fault for giving the car to you?

That's a non-sequitur. This is like your dad, who has a fleet of cars and a bunch of chauffeurs on the payroll, refusing to give you a ride to the hospital and blaming your death on the slow response by emergency services.

nuupe

The Car is the point of responsiblity. in the analogy the car are the poor people you are neglecting.

Try again.

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:55 am)dyresand Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)h4ym4n Wrote: According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Because.. god simply doesn't care

If God did not care their would not be enough food to go around. Is it your belief the world can not produce enough food to feed everyone?

(January 21, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)h4ym4n Wrote: According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.
Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?
It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Ok... Sooo if God's only people have ALL been cast out of the only region that could sustain that many people, and made to wander. who are the stewards that would step up and feed those wandering in the desert?

If there is no one then God steps in.

Here there are hundreds of millions of people who soceity controlls 2/3's of the world ablity to produce food.

So tell me again how this situation is the same as the exodus.

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:57 am)Tonus Wrote: That's a non-sequitur. This is like your dad, who has a fleet of cars and a bunch of chauffeurs on the payroll, refusing to give you a ride to the hospital and blaming your death on the slow response by emergency services.

nuupe

The Car is the point of responsiblity. in the analogy the car are the poor people you are neglecting.

Try again.

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(January 21, 2015 at 11:55 am)dyresand Wrote: Because.. god simply doesn't care

If God did not care their would not be enough food to go around. Is it your belief the world can not produce enough food to feed everyone?

No god simply does not care about human lives or the affairs that is going on in the world. I mean think about it a all loving god would let others suffer. I mean think about the people in Africa they have poor people starving kids and have various diseases something that god could easily fixed without doing much but then you are the type of person to say starvation and diseases and even aids is a gift from god. But only a psychopath would think those gifts are great i mean come on god should do something half way decent but.. then again Abrahamic god does not give a fuck about humans.

(January 21, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 21, 2015 at 11:44 am)h4ym4n Wrote: According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Ok... Sooo if God's only people have ALL been cast out of the only region that could sustain that many people, and made to wander. who are the stewards that would step up and feed those wandering in the desert?

If there is no one then God steps in.

Here there are hundreds of millions of people who soceity controlls 2/3's of the world ablity to produce food.

So tell me again how this situation is the same as the exodus.

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So if your god creates all these children and the children can't feed themselves and no one else feels it's their responsibility, then according to your god will finely step?

I think we're there based on 20,000 children, that no one seems to care about, die each and every day.



Drich, before each of these starving children were born, jesus knew they would die a slow miserable death, right?

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(January 21, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Drich Wrote: nuupe

The Car is the point of responsiblity. in the analogy the car are the poor people you are neglecting.

Try again.

Simply saying "no, it's not" and repeating the non-sequitur doesn't change that it's a non-sequitur. To make the car the point of the analogy is to ignore the massive difference between the respective players. This is a constant in Christian apologetics; god is capable of immeasurably more than all of humanity put together, yet nothing is expected of him by comparison and the fault for the outcome is on everyone else's shoulders. In no other facet of our lives do we so casually shrug off responsibility the way god is allowed to. That makes no sense.

Does highlighting biblical/torah/koran inconsistencies really strengthen the case for any Abrahamic faith ?


(sounds snarky, I realize, but there's a serious question in there if you can scrape off the sarcasm)

(January 21, 2015 at 11:40 am)Drich Wrote: Again if you dad gave you a car and you wrecked it somehow is it your dad's fault for giving the car to you?

If the dad knew in advance the car he gave you will without a doubt be an accedent then how can it not?

Your problem with omniscience.