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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm
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(January 21, 2015 at 4:45 pm)Blackout Wrote: (January 21, 2015 at 4:15 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The whole "emotional maturity" idea is very very gray and imprecise though. Kids devlop in varying ways and at varying speeds, especially mentally and emotionally, so it's nearly impossible to set a law that will be amenable to every child's personal emotional development. The age of consent being 18 might not be approriate in all areas for all people (age of legal sex consent, buying porn, serving in the military, voting, etc), and there can be 14 year olds with far more emotional maturity and conscience than 19 year olds, but we still need to settle on some line. It's not perfect, but the line being at 18 years old is okay in my books just for practicality.
Could it be lowered for some areas, like consent to medical treatment? Sure, and as we further our understanding of mental development I'd have no problem with lowering it to whatever age seems best, I just think 18 is a safe line for now.
I disagree, 18 is too much, if kids can drive when they're 16, face criminal responsibility and work with parental authorization, are able to consume alcohol (not sure if it's like that in the US), I think some autonomy should be given by the parents. I would still deny it though. Forcing a medical treatment doesn't seem an appropriate choice to me. I'd prefer convincing my son/daughter that it was the best choice instead of using force
But for a 12 year old it's a no-brainer.
I'm not saying that 18 is the perfect line or that we shouldn't move it lower, I'm just saying that it's really hard to determine when a 13 or 14 or 15 year old suddenly hits that "mature" level of being able to give informed consent or deny treatment. Drawing the line at 16 I could easily see myself agreeing with, but it wouldn't be for the reason that they're allowed to do other things at that age (the examples you provided), but rather because we have reason to believe that a sufficient majority of kids are mature enough at 16 that drawing the line there would be safe.
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 21, 2015 at 4:53 pm
10, 13, and 17, though for 13 and 17, it's not really about the child's choice.
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 21, 2015 at 11:51 pm
Alas the wording of the answer choices and the set up were rushed and unfortunate. I was inspired of course by the "stupid parents" thread and put it together in a rush before going to work.
I really wanted to ask, for you personally, would your moral sense dictate a decisive yes, no or maybe if it were your eleven year old daughter's announced intention.
From the OP: Quote:Premise: Your child is 11 years old and announces the following intention.
I didn't mean to ask if one thought no one should allow or forbid their daughter's choice, only if one would themselves.
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:00 am
If it's not in the bible, it ain't allowed! Simple!
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:07 am
Atheist. 12, 15, 17.
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:17 am
10 13 17
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:18 am
(January 22, 2015 at 12:00 am)JesusChristLover Wrote: If it's not in the bible, it ain't allowed! Simple!
Sending your wife off to live with her boyfriend (or chopping her and storing her in the freezer) not in the bible.
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:21 am
(January 22, 2015 at 12:18 am)Losty Wrote: (January 22, 2015 at 12:00 am)JesusChristLover Wrote: If it's not in the bible, it ain't allowed! Simple!
Sending your wife off to live with her boyfriend (or chopping her and storing her in the freezer) not in the bible.
Its in the bible there is a story were in sodom and gommora a guy offers up one of his daughters to get raped instead of the angels they proceed to rape her until the morning they bring her inside and proceed to kill and chop her up. yeah.... christianity not so clean at all...
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:25 am
10, 13, 17.
Their choices on how to live their lives are theirs to make, but their choices on how to die are not. The only time I could permit someone to end their own lives or refuse treatment is if it was to prevent the prolonging of suffering. But religious reasons? Religious reasons are not rational, and they are not reasons that are meant to prevent their suffering.
If you're an adult and you want to refuse treatment for yourself because you're a moronic delusionist, fine, die and let the gene pool be rid of your dumbfuckery, but if you're a child, absofuckinglutely not.
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RE: Christian Views on Parental Responsibility
January 22, 2015 at 12:25 am
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@ dyresand I don't remember the chopping...
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