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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm
(January 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: Of course she was.
This divorce benefitted both people, because the husband left a false relationship and the wife left an unhappy one. How is there something morally wrong with that?
Roxy and Sinnoach: You are agreeing that breaking a promise, as well as violating a legal contract, is morally acceptable. This is an example of a difference between christian morality and secular morality. Would these actions be acceptable, it they were in relation to another civil contract? Is personal happiness more important than keeping promises and abiding by legal contracts?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 10:15 pm
(January 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: Of course she was.
This divorce benefitted both people, because the husband left a false relationship and the wife left an unhappy one. How is there something morally wrong with that?
Roxy and Sinnoach: You are agreeing that breaking a promise, as well as violating a legal contract, is morally acceptable. This is an example of a difference between christian morality and secular morality. Would these actions be acceptable, it they were in relation to another civil contract? Is personal happiness more important than keeping promises and abiding by legal contracts? If both parties agree, yes!
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 10:22 pm
(January 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: Of course she was.
This divorce benefitted both people, because the husband left a false relationship and the wife left an unhappy one. How is there something morally wrong with that?
Roxy and Sinnoach: You are agreeing that breaking a promise, as well as violating a legal contract, is morally acceptable. This is an example of a difference between christian morality and secular morality. Would these actions be acceptable, it they were in relation to another civil contract? Is personal happiness more important than keeping promises and abiding by legal contracts?
Well when it comes to something like marriage and both people do not love each other anymore they should you know move on i mean there is nothing there to keep them together. I mean its not like it used to be anyways people like me well the rare few of the 90's generation are going to be loners and i am fine with that.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 10:46 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2015 at 10:47 pm by Roxy904.)
Marriage-the formal union of two people, typically recognized by law.
Nothing about a promise in there, firstly. Secondly, how is abiding by legal contracts and keeping promises related exclusively to Christianty or religion? Thirdly, breaking promises or nullifying legal contracts is morally acceptable in some cases.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 10:57 pm
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(January 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Lek Wrote: Roxy and Sinnoach: You are agreeing that breaking a promise, as well as violating a legal contract, is morally acceptable. Because it is.
Quote:Is personal happiness more important than keeping promises and abiding by legal contracts?
In many, many cases, yes. But why narrow the field? Profit is a good reason to break a contract (that's why contracts are broken for-profit all the damned time). Just not giving a shit anymore is a good reason to break a contract. Hell, between those two and happiness we've probably accounted for 99% of broken contracts and we've barely plumbed the depths of all the reasons to break a contract. Truth be told, none of this even -has- a moral dimension. Legality is not morality. You don't check leviticus when you wake up, or before making a decision....do you? Legality clearly doesn't hold sway over your opinions or morality, even when it;s put forward by the mouthpiece of god almighty......so why pretend, especially here, that it does in order to foist a purile argument?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 11:19 pm
(January 24, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: Marriage-the formal union of two people, typically recognized by law.
Nothing about a promise in there, firstly. Secondly, how is abiding by legal contracts and keeping promises related exclusively to Christianty or religion? Thirdly, breaking promises or nullifying legal contracts is morally acceptable in some cases.
Also marriage is more of a governmental thing nothing religious about it. And even marriage itself and or marriage like traditions and accustoms have been around longer than Christianity ever has and all Abrahamic religions.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 11:29 pm
(January 24, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: Of course she was.
This divorce benefitted both people, because the husband left a false relationship and the wife left an unhappy one. How is there something morally wrong with that?
Roxy and Sinnoach: You are agreeing that breaking a promise, as well as violating a legal contract, is morally acceptable.
Depends on what you promise. What if you make a stupid promise to the wrong person, or an ill-informed promise? Or a promise that's impossible to keep? Like most things, it's not black-and-white.
As for violating a legal contract, well, that's just silly. It's not a violation or an abrogation, it's a nullification. Both parties agree to bring the contractual relationship to a close. What's immoral about that?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 11:47 pm
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(January 24, 2015 at 11:29 pm)Davka Wrote: Depends on what you promise. What if you make a stupid promise to the wrong person, or an ill-informed promise? Or a promise that's impossible to keep? Like most things, it's not black-and-white.
As for violating a legal contract, well, that's just silly. It's not a violation or an abrogation, it's a nullification. Both parties agree to bring the contractual relationship to a close. What's immoral about that?
In the situation I presented, the husband did not agree to the divorce. He wanted to stay together.
(January 24, 2015 at 11:19 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 24, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Roxy904 Wrote: Marriage-the formal union of two people, typically recognized by law.
Nothing about a promise in there, firstly. Secondly, how is abiding by legal contracts and keeping promises related exclusively to Christianty or religion? Thirdly, breaking promises or nullifying legal contracts is morally acceptable in some cases.
Also marriage is more of a governmental thing nothing religious about it. And even marriage itself and or marriage like traditions and accustoms have been around longer than Christianity ever has and all Abrahamic religions.
Yes, marriage has been around for a long time; and only recently has it become a government- controlled contract.
(January 24, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: In many, many cases, yes. But why narrow the field? Profit is a good reason to break a contract (that's why contracts are broken for-profit all the damned time). Just not giving a shit anymore is a good reason to break a contract. Hell, between those two and happiness we've probably accounted for 99% of broken contracts and we've barely plumbed the depths of all the reasons to break a contract. Truth be told, none of this even -has- a moral dimension. Legality is not morality. You don't check leviticus when you wake up, or before making a decision....do you? Legality clearly doesn't hold sway over your opinions or morality, even when it;s put forward by the mouthpiece of god almighty......so why pretend, especially here, that it does in order to foist a purile argument?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 24, 2015 at 11:53 pm
(January 24, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Lek Wrote: In the situation I presented, the husband did not agree to the divorce. He wanted to stay together So it would me morally correct for the husband to demand the wife stick around an undesirable relationship?
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 25, 2015 at 12:01 am
All this talk about marriage has really convinced me that if I ever have the chance to do it, to do it for the right reasons:
To foster alliances and increase my land holdings. Hallelujah.
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