(February 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who deny hell or make it a place for the unforgiven to go and suffer little or no consequences, have no respect for His sovereignty.

GC

If your god really did make a pit of fire to send everyone he didn't like to be tortured for eternity, there's nothing respectable about him.

(February 16, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Nope Wrote: Lek, I am confused. You said hell is not a place of eternal torment but it is better to gouge out your eyes rather than go there. That sounds like a place of torment to me

But not forever.

(February 17, 2015 at 12:02 am)Lek Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Nope Wrote: Lek, I am confused. You said hell is not a place of eternal torment but it is better to gouge out your eyes rather than go there. That sounds like a place of torment to me

But not forever.

So, there will still be torture just not the forever kind?

(February 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who deny hell or make it a place for the unforgiven to go and suffer little or no consequences, have no respect for His sovereignty.

GC

More likely, they have this thing called empathy. They can't imagine God doing anything as evil as sending someone to a place where they are eternally tortured. Even we fallen humans are better than that.

(February 17, 2015 at 1:07 am)Nope Wrote:

(February 17, 2015 at 12:02 am)Lek Wrote: But not forever.

So, there will still be torture just not the forever kind?

That's how I interpret it.

You think I deserve to be tortured for using the brain God gave me, in the best way I can?

(February 17, 2015 at 12:42 pm)robvalue Wrote: You think I deserve to be tortured for using the brain God gave me, in the best way I can?

Yes, because you didn't use it in the way I liked it.

Oh, ok! Well, that's not entrapment. Enjoy the show.

(February 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Those who deny hell or make it a place for the unforgiven to go and suffer little or no consequences, have no respect for His sovereignty.

GC

You're goddamned straight I've got no respect for the object of your fetish.

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(February 16, 2015 at 9:04 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm one who doesn't believe in eternal torment, but I'm not quite that nice of a christian. Jesus definitely spoke of hell and it's not a nice place, since he said it would better to cut your arm off or gouge your eye out than to go there.

The very same verse you're referencing has Jesus calling hell "the eternal fire". That's a mighty fine cherry-picker you've got there.

Aren't you worried about directly contradicting the god you claim to worship?

(February 17, 2015 at 12:42 pm)robvalue Wrote: You think I deserve to be tortured for using the brain God gave me, in the best way I can?

No, because you are forgiving and are not in the business of rejecting things for fear or for ego, for putting your personal biases and security over the truth.

So you are doing it the right way. I agree if there is a God who is perfect in design, then creating secular minds is for a reason and serves good purpose when used properly.

To question and discern what is consistent and what is not, not for the purpose of rejecting but for purposes of understanding and appreciating.