(March 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Faith is synonymous with trust, the words are interchangeable.

Not so. Religious faith is not synonymous with trust, although other denotations of faith are synonymous with "trust". The religious denotation is not one of them. Here, here's the OED. Let's read this slowly:

Quote:Definition of faith in English:
noun

1 Complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
this restores one’s faith in politicians

2 Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

2.1 A system of religious belief:
the Christian faith

2.2 A strongly held belief or theory:
the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...lish/faith

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Now, when you look at the synonyms for the highlighted religious denotation, you get:

Quote:religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine

You'll hopefully notice that none of those are the word "trust".

In other words you're equivocating two different denotation, because ... well, because you're clearly not very educated in matters English.

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(March 2, 2015 at 6:29 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: That's right. Religious faith requires one to abdicate his or her intellectual curiosity and ability to ask questions.

Reason and faith cannot coexist. One must either compartmentalize thought processes, as some scientists do, or completely abandon reason as an epistemology, which is clearly what Buggy here has done ... until he gets sick and goes to the doctor rather than engages in prayer.

Where does the Bible tell you not to utilize doctors?

Where did I say it did?

You really are awful at this English stuff. Do learn to read.

Because you clearly missed my point, you denigrate the application of reason to life, until you are faced with the deleterious effects of such an approach, at which point you avail yourself of the science you detest and distrust in most other cases. Until that point, you actively shield your faith from the practice of reason.

That is probably because you understand that your faith cannot withstand searching questions. Remember, it was you who said you don't need to explain the Bible, but just believe. If that's really the case, why are you here at this forum, seeking to explain the monument to faulty thinking that is your bible?

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(March 2, 2015 at 6:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You'd first have to have a point in order for someone to miss it.

Just because you're too dense to see it doesn't mean it isn't there. It just means you're a fucking clod. See my reply immediately above, and remember to think before you post next time.

(March 2, 2015 at 5:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: To try and explain what was here before the universe is the epitome of arrogance, why would the laws of physics apply outside the known universe?

I've heard of a book that tries to do that very thing. It's weird though, because whoever wrote the things in that book that "try to explain what was here before the universe" doesn't even understand the laws that of physics that apply within the very universe in which it is being written.

(March 2, 2015 at 5:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I as a Christian don't claim I know everything, I just believe what the Bible says about it, there's a difference.

Of course you do, and I know there's a difference What you're doing is worse. The latter makes you look like a willfully ignorant, ungrateful moron. Here you are talking about "laws of physics" and "universes" as if you discovered what those words mean all on your own. All the while attempting to discredit the very professionals that save you from talking about a majestic light that rotates around a flat earth. Rather than conclude that your book is nothing more than an early attempt to understand the world, you would rather continue twisting and reinterpreting the words into abstract and contradicting concepts and whats worse, you actually seem to have convinced yourself that the verbal diarrhea you've been spewing are better explanations of the universe than the ones offered to you by the very people that taught you anything you think know about it, and give you pictures of it from space.

What you are doing, and I hope you are fortunate enough to become aware of it one day, is akin to trying to jam a square shaped peg into a circle hole. You are a full grown adult (I presume) who is failing a mature version of a child IQ test. It's disturbing to read your thoughts while considering the very real possibility that you have a job in any civilized society, that you or something you think of could actually impact my life. Your inability to process information and make sound judgments about the world around you makes me hope that you don't have kids or anybody else who may potentially be influenced by your habits of thought.

(March 2, 2015 at 6:39 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Faith is synonymous with trust, the words are interchangeable.

Not so. Religious faith is not synonymous with trust, although other denotations of faith are synonymous with "trust". The religious denotation is not one of them. Here, here's the OED. Let's read this slowly:

Quote:Definition of faith in English:
noun

1 Complete trust or confidence in someone or something:
this restores one’s faith in politicians

2 Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

2.1 A system of religious belief:
the Christian faith

2.2 A strongly held belief or theory:
the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...lish/faith

[Formatting added to ease reading -- PT]

Now, when you look at the synonyms for the highlighted religious denotation, you get:

Quote:religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine

You'll hopefully notice that none of those are the word "trust".

In other words you're equivocating two different denotation, because ... well, because you're clearly not very educated in matters English.

Yes, because the old testament was originally written in English you Muppet

the Hebrew word for "trust" is translated in English as "faith".

(March 2, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Yes, because the old testament was originally written in English you Muppet

the Hebrew word for "trust" is translated in English as "faith".

Fascinating. Do tell us, how does that make it synonymous? You do realise that synonyms are contained within one language?

(March 2, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Yes, because the old testament was originally written in English you Muppet

The Bible you read is, dolt.

(March 2, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: the Hebrew word for "trust" is translated in English as "faith".

This claim requires a reputable link. Also, parts of the Bible were originally in Aramaic and Greek as well. Of course you knew that already, right, Wile E?

(March 2, 2015 at 6:53 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I've heard of a book that tries to do that very thing. It's weird though, because whoever wrote the things in that book that "try to explain what was here before the universe" doesn't even understand the laws that of physics that apply within the very universe in which it is being written.

you have no idea what the ancients knew or didn't know, if you have a firm grasp on the concept of physics, explain to me how coral castle was built. The guy that built coral castle claims to have built it using ancient knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

Quote:The largest stone weighs 30 short tons (27 t) and the tallest are two monoliths standing 25 ft (7.6 m) each.

Explain how it's physically possible for a single man to cut and transport (over 10 miles) and erect a 30 ton stone...

(March 2, 2015 at 6:53 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Of course you do, and I know there's a difference What you're doing is worse. The latter makes you look like a willfully ignorant, ungrateful moron. Here you are talking about "laws of physics" and "universes" as if you discovered what those words mean all on your own.

I'm willfully ignorant? So you have proof God doesn't exist?

I've only read the first thing that I was "probably wrong" about and their argument about Jesus having a wife is based on a text that dates to the sixth and ninth-centuries?

How many "skeptics" are going to repeat that one?

*rolls eyes*

(March 2, 2015 at 7:14 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: The Bible you read is, dolt.

It's written in old English, I don't suppose I have to tell you that words change their meaning over time, for instance, Gay doesn't mean what it used to.

(March 2, 2015 at 7:14 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: the Hebrew word for "trust" is translated in English as "faith".

This claim requires a reputable link. Also, parts of the Bible were originally in Aramaic and Greek as well. Of course you knew that already, right, Wile E?

Aramaic is a Semitic dialect, the same as Hebrew. the New Testament, however was written in Greek.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/529.htm

Quote:אֵמֻן noun [masculine] trusting, faithfulness (on formation compare Ges§ 84a R. 12). 1. 1 בָּנִים לֹא אֵמֻן בָּם children in whom there is no trusting Deuteronomy 32:20 (poetry) 2. אֱמוּנִים plural abstract faithfulness; ׳צִיר א messenger of faithfulness, trusty messenger Proverbs 13:17; ׳עֵד א faithful witness Proverbs 14:5; compare ׳אִישׁ א Proverbs 20:6; ׳שֹׁמֵר א keeping faithfulness Isaiah 26:2, perhaps also Psalm 31:24 ׳נצד א see I. [ אָמַן].

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(March 2, 2015 at 7:09 pm)Norman Humann Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Yes, because the old testament was originally written in English you Muppet

the Hebrew word for "trust" is translated in English as "faith".

Fascinating. Do tell us, how does that make it synonymous? You do realise that synonyms are contained within one language?

they are synonymous in English you Muppet, meaning the words are interchangeable. Hebrew is a very specific language. we have one word for "idolatry" while Hebrew has several each with a different context, hence it is important to know the context when you read scripture or you end up "thinking" you've found contradictions.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/27_home.html

Quote:On a frequent basis we attach a meaning of a word from the Bible based on our own language and culture to a word that is not the meaning of the Hebrew word behind the translation. This is often a result of using our modern western thinking process for interpreting the Biblical text. For proper interpretation of the Bible it is essential that we take our definitions for words from an Ancient Hebraic perspective. Our modern western minds often work with words that are purely abstract or mental while the Hebrew's vocabulary was filled with words that painted pictures of concrete concepts. By reading the Biblical text with a proper Hebrew vocabulary the text comes to life revealing the authors intended meaning.

(March 2, 2015 at 6:29 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: That's right. Religious faith requires one to abdicate his or her intellectual curiosity and ability to ask questions.

Reason and faith cannot coexist. One must either compartmentalize thought processes, as some scientists do, or completely abandon reason as an epistemology, which is clearly what Buggy here has done ... until he gets sick and goes to the doctor rather than engages in prayer.

Where does the Bible tell you not to utilize doctors?

Quote:Jeremiah 8:22
Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?

In case you haven't learned, doctors can't heal, they only assist nature.
Put a cut on a dead body, try to get a doctor to heal it and see how it works out...

Any Doctor that claims to heal is a quack.

I've performed many surgeries, many of which nature couldn't achieve.

Guess I'm a quack.

I said doctors assist nature, if nature could do it on it's own, it wouldn't need an assist would it?

If you claim to be a "healer" , my question to you is, could you "heal" a cadaver?