(January 1, 2015 at 7:31 am)mralstoner Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 7:03 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I've met a few muslims and so far they have all been nice and didn't blow up unexpectedly. You can't damn the whole bunch just because the most vocal ones are arseholes..

Fact 1 - There are 90 verses in the Koran which command Muslims to imitate the prophet Mohammed.
Fact 2 - Mohammed beheaded a whole Jewish tribe, the Banu Qurayza.
Fact 3 - Mohammed beheaded poets who criticised him.
Fact 4 - Mohammed sanctions sex slaves as the spoils of war.
Fact 5 - Mohammed ordered or supported 43 assassinations.
Fact 6 - Mohammed commanded 65 military campaigns, and fought in 27 of them.

Conclusion 1 - Islam is a religion of "peace".
Conclusion 2 - A significant percentage of every Muslim population will follow the "peaceful" example of Mohammed and blow up unexpectedly.

The question for Downbeat is: how big does our Muslim population have to get before we have a serious problem (if we don't already have one)?

iam a muslim from egypt
my father studied in el-azhar
so i know islam much better than u
what i can see from ur post that ur knowlage about islam is 0%

(January 2, 2015 at 4:55 pm)king krish Wrote: iam a muslim from egypt
my father studied in el-azhar
so i know islam much better than u
what i can see from ur post that ur knowlage about islam is 0%

All his posts are bigoted. Just ignore what he says.

(January 2, 2015 at 4:55 pm)king krish Wrote: iam a muslim from egypt
my father studied in el-azhar
so i know islam much better than u
what i can see from ur post that ur knowlage about islam is 0%

I dare say they don't go around shouting jihad from the rooftops of Al-Azhar University, but if you look closely enough (which you obviously don't) you can see they still teach offensive jihad. Indeed no orthodox branch of Islam has refuted offensive jihad.

Quote:Pure Islam, by Robert Spencer
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/11/pure-i...der-galien

... all of the schools that are considered orthodox teach, as part of the obligation of the Muslim community, warfare against and the subjugation of unbelievers.

Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh “˜Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).

... ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).

Quote:Al-Azhar Friday sermon repeats genocidal hadith: Muhammad predicted that Muslims would kill Jews, and Jews would hide behind stones and trees

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/al-azh...would-kill

In October 2001, right after 9/11, the New York Times called Al-Azhar "the revered mosque, the distinguished university, the leading voice of the Sunni Muslim establishment." It quoted a Muslim cleric: "Al Azhar is the only institution in the world that has learned the moderate Islam and taught it in a moderate way without fanaticism, and without abiding by the teachings of a school that promotes rigidity or violence."

In June 2009 at al-Azhar, Barack Obama said: "For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning, and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt’s advancement."

Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, delivered by Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Mahdi, which aired on Channel 1, Egyptian TV, on May 10, 2013:

Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Mahdi: The Islamic nation, which is the guardian of Truth, must be aware of the conspiracies of Falsehood, and of the snares of those who lie in wait. Allah has taught [Muslims] that their worst enemies are those about whom He said: "You shall find the Jews and the polytheists to be the most hostile towards the believers" [Koran 5:82]. Thus, Allah made Jihad for His sake and endurance of pain and hardship effective means to fight the people of Falsehood...

The confrontation [with the Jews] is inevitable. Our Prophet does not lie. He told us that there would be a confrontation between the Muslims and the Jews before the Day of Judgment, and that the Muslims would vanquish them to the point that the Jews would hide behind the stones and the trees, but the stones and the trees would say: "Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." Prepare for that day, for it will surely arrive, because the divine revelation harbors no lies.

You are yet another moron who wants to sweep the violent example of Mohammed under the carpet and sing "lalalalala i can't hear you". People like you are the reason why turmoil persists in the Muslim world because you can't deal with reality, but instead live in a Disney cartoon fantasy version of Islam that only exists inside your tiny brains.

Here are some Islamic experts who have brown skin. Are you going to argue they know 0% about Islam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxzOVSMUrGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJy7vZANuk

And after the drivel, something inspiring from Germany, to show that most Germans aren't bigoted idiots.

http://www.dw.de/secular-protesters-outn...a-18172053

Quote: Anti-Islamist 'Pegida' supporters have had to cancel their appearance in Cologne, where thousands of demonstrators showed solidarity with migrants. However, thousands of anti-Islamists showed up in the city of Dresden.

Gotta love the rhineland catholics

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschlan...11385.html



[Edit]
Before the demo started (or could start), they turned off the lights out of protest.

(January 5, 2015 at 5:55 pm)abaris Wrote: And after the drivel, something inspiring from Germany, to show that most Germans aren't bigoted idiots.

People like abaris will only criticise Muslims when Islamic State invades their town and starts chopping heads. But until then, they will call everyone a "bigot" who questions the Islamic religion in any way, shape or form. Crazy.

(January 6, 2015 at 4:34 am)mralstoner Wrote:

(January 5, 2015 at 5:55 pm)abaris Wrote: And after the drivel, something inspiring from Germany, to show that most Germans aren't bigoted idiots.

People like abaris will only criticise Muslims when Islamic State invades their town and starts chopping heads. But until then, they will call everyone a "bigot" who questions the Islamic religion in any way, shape or form. Crazy.

Is that so?

(January 1, 2015 at 8:28 am)abaris Wrote: Last but not least, the muslim population makes up 5 percent of the German population. So, yeah, I guess these 5 percent stand a real good chance of overtaking the country and of istalling Islamic law.

For me it is a weak argument against Pegida since 5 percent is much. It means about 1 in 20 person in Germany is Muslim.

(March 16, 2015 at 2:46 pm)GermanAtheist Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 8:28 am)abaris Wrote: Last but not least, the muslim population makes up 5 percent of the German population. So, yeah, I guess these 5 percent stand a real good chance of overtaking the country and of istalling Islamic law.

For me it is a weak argument against Pegida since 5 percent is much. It means about 1 in 20 person in Germany is Muslim.

These 5% include dangerous muslim extremist people like Cem Özdemir and Muhammed Suicmez, right?

Well I don't think just because someone is a minority group they're not threatening - It depends. I can't talk about it because I'm not German. I sincerely hope that instead of seeing anti-Islam movements motivated by xenophobia I'd see intellectually consistent criticism of religion as it is supposed to be