(April 20, 2015 at 2:20 pm)robvalue Wrote:

(April 20, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why didn't you answer my post.

GC

Because I was making a flippant pun not aimed at anyone.

You have got one, what is between the lines, thanks for admitting it even if I had to hunt between the lines.

GC

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(April 20, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Thing is GC...different breeds is how the process of divergence starts. Eventually, given enough generations and enough mutation, a dalmation will become its own species entirely, as will any other different breed of any species. Since we do not live in geological timescales, however, we don't notice this change occurring over the few decades we live on earth.
We all occupy our own teeny tiny little slice of time. Unfortunately, it seems a fair number of idiots think their little slice of time is the most important, the one against which all other slices must be measured.

Dogs have been breed fo a few thousand years and they all can still interbreed.

GC

(April 20, 2015 at 9:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: Dogs have been breed fo a few thousand years and they all can still interbreed.

GC

And yet there are species of skinks and birds that have been breeding within our lifetimes that no longer can. Do a search for "ring species" and see for yourself, it's actually pretty interesting; Population A gives birth to Population B, which in turn gives rise to Population C, and so on. Population, let's call it G, is a product of the direct lineage of Population A, and yet if a member of Population G is encouraged to breed with a member of Population A, no interbreeding will be possible due to the intervening genetic drift.

This is a general comment:

If you misrepresent both reality and evolution, then explain why "evolution" is wrong, you have shown absolutely nothing. Attention must be paid to definitions; if you allow them to slide all over the place while making your argument it's a conflation of different concepts. And really, you need at least a basic grounding in the science or else you're just making it up.

Quote:Dogs have been breed fo a few thousand years and they all can still interbreed.

GC

You have nothing. Your argument is nothing. You have literally zero going for your claim except an old book and hearsay. Just admit it; your lot lost this argument a very long time ago. It doesn't mean there is no God, it doesn't prove the universe wasn't created exclusively for mankind to enjoy (there's a whole mountain of other stuff for those topics), but on this particular point, you are wrong. Just as the Catholic Church was wrong about the Sun going around the Earth, which they graciously admitted in the 90's(!), you are wrong about this.
It's ok to be wrong, it really is! Nobody blames you. But to blindly refuse to acknowledge the sheer immensity of the still-growing pile of evidence and facts...people have less sympathy for that. Ignorance is forgivable. Willful ignorance, less so.

Evolution happens, all the time. That is not just a theory anymore, it is a law as well-founded and concrete as the universal law of gravitation. DNA replicates imperfectly, causing slight mutations. These mutations may be passed onto the next generation, if the carrier of the mutation survives the environmental factors that it is tested against. This process repeats itself, over and over again, and slowly you get increasing genetic diversity, until eventually whole other species emerge, all branches from a single tree. All because of DNA that can never copy itself with 100% accuracy.
That's all. That's all it is. Why can you not accept that? Please, honestly tell me.
Why?

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And by and large, for multi-celled organisms like dogs or humans, 'thousands of years' is nothing in terms of evolution. There are slight, mostly cosmetic changes, but nothing that creates so much of a split that interbreeding is no longer possible.
There are exceptions for things like the ring species mentioned above, but you generally need timescales of hundreds of thousands to millions of years for the critical changes to come about.
I'm pretty much pleading with you now; please read about this kind of stuff. Not only is it a fascinating subject, it will make things a lot clearer, if you only open your mind and let in a different point of view in.

(April 19, 2015 at 6:12 pm)professor Wrote: It would answer a lot of your questions if you went to a Christian site like Answers in Genesis.
The earth got flooded because of inbreeding from fallen angels- it said Noah was perfect in his generations- meaning his genetics.
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and AFTERWARD (Canaanites specifically),  these were the giants- the "Mighty men" of old- the gods of the ancients. They were half human, half devil.
The remains of giants have been taken from America when they were found in the 1800s and placed in the Smithsonian never to be seen again. something about not fitting into the Evolutionary fairy tale.
But some emerged in the last decades down in South America (out of reach of certain authorities).
Trey Smith shows them and does a good job on the Nephilim, it is long but insigntful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY

There were no high mountains prior to the flood, it said Noah landed in the mountains of Ararat -
NOT ON the mountain of Ararat.

Yeah, but AiG is a propaganda site run by Ken Ham which is proven to:

1.  Misrepresent science.
2.  Lie about what well known scientists have stated
3.  Make and repeat claim they KNOW are wrong and have been discredited.

So, when it comes to aig and the well known fraud, liar, and conman, Ham, people are better off looking up real science.

Quote: The oldest story about the flood was written in a language closer to ancient Hebrew than any other language, interesting you wouldn't mention that.

The Tale of Ziusudra is the oldest version of the flood myth.  The tablet we have dates to the 17th century BCE and is written in Sumerian cuneiform.  It has nothing to do with "Hebrew."

The accepted scholarly theory is it coincided with the Black Sea deluge. So yes, it was localized, but that was consisered the known world to the people living in the region.

The Ryan-Pittman theory was hot shit in 1997.  It has since been dismissed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_d...hypothesis


Science, polecat, is not like religion.  Just because some asshole with a funny hat says something does not make it "dogma."  With science, other scientists evaluate your findings and very often call bullshit on the original idea.

Religion needs some of that.

(April 19, 2015 at 6:12 pm)professor Wrote: It would answer a lot of your questions if you went to a Christian site like Answers in Genesis.
The earth got flooded because of inbreeding from fallen angels- it said Noah was perfect in his generations- meaning his genetics.
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and AFTERWARD (Canaanites specifically),  these were the giants- the "Mighty men" of old- the gods of the ancients. They were half human, half devil.
The remains of giants have been taken from America when they were found in the 1800s and placed in the Smithsonian never to be seen again. something about not fitting into the Evolutionary fairy tale.
But some emerged in the last decades down in South America (out of reach of certain authorities).
Trey Smith shows them and does a good job on the Nephilim, it is long but insigntful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY
There were no high mountains prior to the flood, it said Noah landed in the mountains of Ararat -
NOT ON the mountain of Ararat.

I know the rule of thumb is to leave religious people alone so they don't leave. I will allow this post to not jab at my "you're an idiot" button... lol inbreeding fallen angels.. evolutionary fairy tale... BLAH

and after the ken ham/bill nye debate there are still Christians, and the outpouring of money donated to answers from genesis from the public is one big LOL.

Guys, if evolution were a fact, like the demonstrable fact of gravity (for example), no one would dispute it.

What we see is indeed a mountain, but one piled high of conjecture- not facts.
Your conjecture has become religious doctrine.
The difference between the black robed priests and the white robed priests, is the first represents a supernatural religion,
and white robed ones- a natural religion.
Many of us are not fooled by cloaking the religion of naturalism in scientific jargon.