(April 1, 2015 at 6:51 am)Tonus Wrote: Dawkins used that example to show that evolution works by cumulative changes, and not by some sudden magnificent burst of outrageously improbable events.  In other words, no crocoduck.  It's not an example of how intelligence guides evolution, but of how cumulative changes can lead to results that could not happen via completely random forces.  Creationists are prone to quote-mining to try and make it seem as if scientists are supporting creation accounts without realizing it, so add this to the pile of dishonest attempts at pretending that there is support for a creator.

It where the evidence leads. For instance: The (FM) foramen magnum (opening in the base of the skull that receives the spinal column) in modern humans is in the center of the skull; whereas, in the great apes and other primates it is located in the posterior. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7767/skullofhumanandgorillam.png If this relocation of the FM emerged through natural-process biological evolution, early forms should gradually transition from the posterior location; but of course, there isn’t any paleontology evidence (the claim of ‘future discovery’ only has a limited shelf-life {please not again, that is so lame}). What is evident, is this relocation appeared suddenly in the fossil record, remains essentially unaltered, and was optimal as soon as it appeared
If you have an intermediate FM location image, post it.

(April 22, 2015 at 1:43 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 1, 2015 at 6:51 am)Tonus Wrote: Dawkins used that example to show that evolution works by cumulative changes, and not by some sudden magnificent burst of outrageously improbable events.  In other words, no crocoduck.  It's not an example of how intelligence guides evolution, but of how cumulative changes can lead to results that could not happen via completely random forces.  Creationists are prone to quote-mining to try and make it seem as if scientists are supporting creation accounts without realizing it, so add this to the pile of dishonest attempts at pretending that there is support for a creator.

It where the evidence leads. For instance: The (FM) foramen magnum (opening in the base of the skull that receives the spinal column) in modern humans is in the center of the skull; whereas, in the great apes and other primates it is located in the posterior. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7767/skullofhumanandgorillam.png If this relocation of the FM emerged through natural-process biological evolution, early forms should gradually transition from the posterior location; but of course, there isn’t any paleontology evidence (the claim of ‘future discovery’ only has a limited shelf-life {please not again, that is so lame}). What is evident, is this relocation appeared suddenly in the fossil record, remains essentially unaltered, and was optimal as soon as it appeared
If you have an intermediate FM location image, post it.

Bullshit. See transition below.

(April 22, 2015 at 2:27 am)Surgenator Wrote:

(April 22, 2015 at 1:43 am)snowtracks Wrote: It where the evidence leads. For instance: The (FM) foramen magnum (opening in the base of the skull that receives the spinal column) in modern humans is in the center of the skull; whereas, in the great apes and other primates it is located in the posterior. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7767/skullofhumanandgorillam.png If this relocation of the FM emerged through natural-process biological evolution, early forms should gradually transition from the posterior location; but of course, there isn’t any paleontology evidence (the claim of ‘future discovery’ only has a limited shelf-life {please not again, that is so lame}). What is evident, is this relocation appeared suddenly in the fossil record, remains essentially unaltered, and was optimal as soon as it appeared
If you have an intermediate FM location image, post it.

Bullshit. See transition below.

looking for an FM moving towards the center, not skull.

Look at the center pictures, Tracks. The shape and curvature of the skull indicates the position of the foramen magnum.

YAWN!!!! Yet Another Wild Nothing!

Why do creationists keep grasping at tiny tiny straws of misunderstanding and misrepresentation?

Disproving evolution =/= Proving other unsupported alternatives

I think I might get that tattooed on my forehead.

(April 22, 2015 at 4:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: YAWN!!!! Yet Another Wild Nothing!

Why do creationists keep grasping at tiny tiny straws of misunderstanding and misrepresentation?

Because if you can explain or account for ninety-nine things, but fail on the hundredth, you haven't explained anything at all. Conversely, if they can give an explanation, however ad hoc and nonsensical, for one thing, or pull at a loose thread in that thing, they have successfully explained one hundred percent of everything; therefore their pet god du jour.

(April 22, 2015 at 9:48 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(April 22, 2015 at 4:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: YAWN!!!! Yet Another Wild Nothing!

Why do creationists keep grasping at tiny tiny straws of misunderstanding and misrepresentation?

Because if you can explain or account for ninety-nine things, but fail on the hundredth, you haven't explained anything at all. Conversely, if they can give an explanation, however ad hoc and nonsensical, for one thing, or pull at a loose thread in that thing, they have successfully explained one hundred percent of everything; therefore their pet god du jour.

Ah, I see....
So it's god of the gaps all the way, huh?

(April 22, 2015 at 10:03 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(April 22, 2015 at 9:48 am)Stimbo Wrote: Because if you can explain or account for ninety-nine things, but fail on the hundredth, you haven't explained anything at all. Conversely, if they can give an explanation, however ad hoc and nonsensical, for one thing, or pull at a loose thread in that thing, they have successfully explained one hundred percent of everything; therefore their pet god du jour.

Ah, I see....
So it's god of the gaps all the way, huh?

That's all it is.  That's all it ever was.

(April 22, 2015 at 10:36 am)Crossless1 Wrote:

(April 22, 2015 at 10:03 am)pocaracas Wrote: Ah, I see....
So it's god of the gaps all the way, huh?

That's all it is.  That's all it ever was.

Should we let them know about that?
Is it safe for them to know that? Won't it create some sort of paradox in their minds and cause them to refuse the whole thing, thus locking themselves in their delusion even further?