So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...

And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?

What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!

And then he tells Moses to go and kill most of those guys because they had lost interest and started worshipping something else.

God murder is "different".

(April 24, 2015 at 7:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: So we have Moses, bringing "his people" from Egypt to Mt. Sinai where Jehova gives him the ten commandments...

And one of them is simply "you shall not murder", but... but... what did god do with all the plagues he sent down on Egypt, particularly the one with all the firstborns, if not murdering?

What sort of moral authority does such a being have to tell his "children" not to murder when that's exactly what he did a couple of pages back?!

He's just calling them back. The definition of murder would be "kill someone without God's approval". Problem solved.

He is very much the "do as I say, not as I do" type of abusive parent.

Yeah it's hypocritical

(April 24, 2015 at 8:13 am)dyresand Wrote: Yeah it's hypocritical

Thanks for confirming [/thread]

Nonsense. Why should the same rules apply to us as to the createur of the universe?

(April 24, 2015 at 8:15 am)Alex K Wrote: Nonsense. Why should the same rules apply to us as to the createur of the universe?

Could he have done things differently?
Could he have gotten his people out of Egypt without killing anyone?
Could he *gasp* have prevented them becoming slaves in the first place?... Was he busy back then? Did the Egyptians pull a fast one?

Inquiring minds want to know!!

(April 24, 2015 at 8:20 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(April 24, 2015 at 8:15 am)Alex K Wrote: Nonsense. Why should the same rules apply to us as to the createur of the universe?

Could he have done things differently?
Could he have gotten his people out of Egypt without killing anyone?
Could he *gasp* have prevented them becoming slaves in the first place?... Was he busy back then? Did the Egyptians pull a fast one?

Inquiring minds want to know!!

All good questions which call into question whether God is the awesome guy we all usually think He is. However, the question in this thread is whether the commandment in question is hypocritical.

"Thou shall not kill" of the Old Testament is short hand for "thou shall not kill those Israelites whom the Jewish priestly and ruling class would find inconvenient to lose".

Anyone who do not fall in that definition can be killed so long as you can get away with it.

Remember the Ten Commandments comes from a petty local cult whose main purpose for existence was to inflate the egos of a petty local tribe and more securely ensconce a priestly and ruling class within that tribe.   It doesn't really consider anyone not of the tribe as potential addressees.