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nothing, nothing, nothing...big bang?
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 (September 10, 2010 at 6:04 pm)Entropist Wrote:(September 10, 2010 at 4:55 pm)Skipper Wrote: Just because nobody can prove if a god does or does not exist, that dosen't mean its 50/50 or that he does exist. It is highly improbable that any god exists...let alone the judeo-xtian monstrosity.  RE: nothing, nothing, nothing...big bang?
September 11, 2010 at 1:07 am
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2010 at 1:08 am by solja247.)
Quote:2) Basic bacteria *today* have complex DNA. This is not true of the bacteria in the past. Complexity increases the more organisms evolve. The first living organisms were self-replicating cells that were most likely composed of RNA (the precursor to DNA). As for how they got there, you'd have to read up on abiogenesis, but it involves the early Earth environment being in the right state for life, and a spark of energy (possibly lightning) that formed the first chemical reactions that led to self-replicating organic material. To my understanding they have never created RNA in a lab before, or a functioning cell. I guess its hard trying to play God?  Quote:It is highly improbable that any god exists...let alone the judeo-xtian monstrosity. According to you...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.
You dont hate God, you hate the church game. "God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer  (September 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm)norbrook Wrote: Hey guys, this is my first post...and I'm a Christian, so I'm off to a bad start, but please go easy on me. Just thought I'd give you's a few things to chew on. Welcome! (September 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm)norbrook Wrote: First of all, I do believe there was a big bang that created the universe Good way to start. (September 10, 2010 at 4:47 pm)norbrook Wrote: The thing that gets me though is where the fudge everything came from, like whatever went bang...it has to come from somewhere. So, i was reading about hawkings saying that there doesnt need to be a God to create the universe, but think about it logically, nothing -> universe. No matter what way he phrases it, it just doesnt add up. I currently have nothing in my hand, and I will continue to have nothing in my hand until I pick up something, basic science. Well none of us are of the omniscient kind of being that can answer that for you, but I might recommend this video series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePkPYA4AQ3o
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September 11, 2010 at 3:07 am
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2010 at 3:08 am by lrh9.)
Quote:So, i was reading about hawkings saying that there doesnt need to be a God to create the universe, but think about it logically, nothing -> universe. No matter what way he phrases it, it just doesnt add up. Presupposition. You are the one who needs to think more. Next. Quote:According to you... According to the rules of evidence....of which you know nothing.  (September 11, 2010 at 1:07 am)solja247 Wrote:Quote:2) Basic bacteria *today* have complex DNA. This is not true of the bacteria in the past. Complexity increases the more organisms evolve. The first living organisms were self-replicating cells that were most likely composed of RNA (the precursor to DNA). As for how they got there, you'd have to read up on abiogenesis, but it involves the early Earth environment being in the right state for life, and a spark of energy (possibly lightning) that formed the first chemical reactions that led to self-replicating organic material. That doesn't mean it couldn't have happened by itself.
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hey guys, just reading through your comments there, some interesting points. ill be honest, im not a very good christian, not by a long shot, but i was curious to see what you guys are saying, and ive enjoyed this. you atheists are good craic hi. but at the end of the day, we are just going to go round in circles here.
going to look more into what adrian said and im going to do so with an open mind but id also like to challenge you's to read one of the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John), first books in the new testament, read all of the book, read it in context and with an open mind, thats all.  (September 11, 2010 at 1:07 am)solja247 Wrote:Quote:2) Basic bacteria *today* have complex DNA. This is not true of the bacteria in the past. Complexity increases the more organisms evolve. The first living organisms were self-replicating cells that were most likely composed of RNA (the precursor to DNA). As for how they got there, you'd have to read up on abiogenesis, but it involves the early Earth environment being in the right state for life, and a spark of energy (possibly lightning) that formed the first chemical reactions that led to self-replicating organic material. Give science time, 50 years ago IVF would have seemed impossible, 100 years ago stopping and reversing the effects of many natural disease's would have seemed impossible. Seeing as your idea of god had an eternity to come up with what he did, I'd say humans have done comparatively well when taking into account the time scales.    RE: nothing, nothing, nothing...big bang?
September 11, 2010 at 1:44 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2010 at 1:44 pm by HeyItsZeus.)
norbrook Wrote:but id also like to challenge you's to read one of the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John), first books in the new testament, read all of the book, read it in context and with an open mind, thats all. I was forced to study the bible by your oh so kind fellow believers. I know some stuff. Just saying. Quote:"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity. " |
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