Sin = A way to control people via guilt-trip.

Especially when you make fundamental parts of Human nature sins. The urge to have sex being a prime example. Though the best is probably thought crime, because you literally can't control your thoughts.

(April 27, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Especially when you make fundamental parts of Human nature sins. The urge to have sex being a prime example. Though the best is probably thought crime, because you literally can't control your thoughts.

Sex is only wrong outside of marriage.

(April 27, 2015 at 2:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 27, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Especially when you make fundamental parts of Human nature sins. The urge to have sex being a prime example. Though the best is probably thought crime, because you literally can't control your thoughts.

Sex is only wrong outside of marriage.

What about married homosexual sex?

"What about married paedophile/necrophile/zoophile sex" in 3... 2... 1...

The only thing wrong with sex is bible thumpers attaching their guilt about it to their judgment of others.

(April 27, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: "What about married paedophile/necrophile/zoophile sex" in 3... 2... 1...

If you let people start having sex when they get married soon they will be having sex with their toasters and end up wanting  to marry their parrot.

I'm still trying to figure out where exactly sincere belief and the labeling of unbelief as "sin" meet.

"I really believe because to be in doubt is sinful" is not the same as "I really believe because I am convinced it is true based on..." One cannot have it both ways: On the one hand advocating their religion as reasonable and supported by evidence and on the other hand condemning any and all doubt as equal to dishonesty. Since most apologists do pretend their faith is reasonable, they must have not gotten the memo that unbelief is tantamount to moral depravity, which is about as unreasonable as a belief can be.

(April 27, 2015 at 12:41 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(April 27, 2015 at 7:22 am)Nope Wrote: Are you saying that unbelief is one among many sins or that it is the only sin?

Unbelief IS sin.
For instance adultery is not a sin, it is an attribute of sin. If I handed you a jar filled with liquid and told you it was poisonous, but you proceeded to drink it anyway, it shows you didn't believe what I said, or else you wouldn't have drunk it. Therefore the act of you drinking the poison was not your mistake, the mistake was not believing what I said. Likewise not obeying the commandments of God shows that you don't believe God, which is the sin.

As the Bible states, "wages of sin (unbelief) is death...

Quote:Jude 1
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

 In order for that story to make sense, I would have to know more about the person handing me poison. Have they lied to me in the past? Is there a legitimate reason for them to hand me the poison? Does this poison look like the soda I just sat down?

If the person handing out poison supposed to be god then he/she would have to be invisible and the warning would have to come in the guise of a very old manuscript that has been translated repeatedly so that I am not certain what the original message actually was.

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(April 27, 2015 at 2:33 pm)Nestor Wrote: I'm still trying to figure out where exactly sincere belief and the labeling of unbelief as "sin" meet.

"I really believe because to be in doubt is sinful" is not the same as "I really believe because I am convinced it is true based on..." One cannot have it both ways: On the one hand advocating their religion as reasonable and supported by evidence and on the other hand condemning any and all doubt as equal to dishonesty. Since most apologists do pretend their faith is reasonable, they must have not gotten the memo that unbelief is tantamount to moral depravity, which is about as unreasonable as a belief can be.

Most Christians that I know do not view doubt as sinful so I am a little confused by the definition on this thread.

A question for theists, if unbelief is sin does that mean that a Christian who believes in Jesus won't sin?

(April 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(April 27, 2015 at 2:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Sex is only wrong outside of marriage.

What about married homosexual sex?

Two men cannot be married...

Marriage is a "union" or "fusion". A nut a bolt goes together, two bolts do not.

Adam was created both male and female, the female side was removed and put into Eve, therefore the male+female = 1 unit.

Quote:Genesis 2
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Marriage was instituted between a man and woman for the purpose of having children (legally). Homosexuals cannot produce children and therefore shouldn't be having sex, and subsequently shouldn't be getting married.

ALL perversion is wrong, for example a lie is a perversion of the truth, adultery is a legal act performed outside of marriage.

Likewise homosexual marriage is a perversion of marriage between a man and woman.

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(April 27, 2015 at 2:36 pm)Nope Wrote: A question for theists, if unbelief is sin does that mean that a Christian who believes in Jesus won't sin?

Because it is no longer sin if it's a Christian, it is iniquity.

Iniquity, basically means that a person knows what he's doing is wrong but does it anyhow, it's premeditated, which is worse.