(May 3, 2015 at 8:46 am)robvalue Wrote: That doesn't stop a lot of Christians teaching it. The religion is the oral myth, so if the oral myth says there's a hell, there's a hell. It only matters what people think the bible says, that's good enough in general.

If you step back and look at it objectively, then you have to discard almost all the bible, so that doesn't work either.

Sure. That's true with everything, isn't it? Everyone thinks that Paul Revere rode his horse through town shouting "The Redcoats Are Coming!" It doesn't matter if he didn't. George Washington, a politician who cheated on his wife never told a lie. It must be true because he chopped down a cherry tree. And he was the first president of the United States. But he wasn't. And income taxes are constitutional. They pay for schools and roads. We kill people in order to protect our own freedom, which slips through the fingers of tycoons' like oil or the last dollar of the middle class in the pocket of the fractional reserve bankers. Our next leader will be the voice of real change in a long line of tradition. Science is all good, they brought us everything good, like thermonuclear and chemical warfare and cell phones we can play games on. 

If the Bible is bullshit then I wan't to know about it. Forget about the Bible because most religious people got it wrong anyway? Everybody has gotten everything wrong but lets not embrace pure ignorance nevertheless. 

The Bible is bullshit though. I have trouble grasping and fathoming how mentally healthy people can even believe otherwise.

Wait, if the bible is bullshit you want to know about it?

Yes, it's bullshit. All of religion is bullshit. It's all based on unfalsifiable claims. It has no rational justification. The oral myths are bullshit, the sacred books are bullshit.

They may contain some things that are true, but we only know this because we can verify them somehow. They may contain some pearls of wisdom. But the supernatural claims they make cannot possibly be rationally supported. Or if they can, I've never heard it done. The giveaway is that every religion makes more or less the same arguments as to why their religion is true, yet they contradict each other.

(May 3, 2015 at 2:03 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(April 5, 2015 at 11:41 am)IATIA Wrote: Why?  There does not need to be a reason.  That is another assumption on your part.  Reason requires intellect and as there is no god, there is no intellect or reason for the existence of the universe.  It just is.

Still, that's pretty pathetic, having people wander thru this life and can't come with one reason for the universe's existence.

Do you really think that everything in the universe came into existence at the same time?

I could probably come up with a dozen reasons for the Universe's existence, right off the top of my head. Then what?

(March 16, 2015 at 11:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So to sum up: you don't knows it. You can only point to stories that can be twisted to make it sound like something that agrees with your presuppositions.

Millenniums before big bang cosmology, scripture stated that the universe had a beginning. Even Einstein put a fudge factor in his relativity mathematics to adhere to the steady-state no beginning model, and later acknowledge it was a mistake due to his philosophical worldview.  This is not just and isolated case, science discoveries are validating scripture and that will be continued into the future.

(May 21, 2015 at 2:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: Millenniums before big bang cosmology, scripture stated that the universe had a beginning. Even Einstein put a fudge factor in his relativity mathematics to adhere to the steady-state no beginning model, and later acknowledge it was a mistake due to his philosophical worldview.  This is not just and isolated case, science discoveries are validating scripture and that will be continued into the future.

Science will seem to keep validating scripture so long as you insist on viewing the world through scripture validating lenses.

(May 21, 2015 at 7:53 am)whateverist Wrote:

(May 21, 2015 at 2:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: Millenniums before big bang cosmology, scripture stated that the universe had a beginning. Even Einstein put a fudge factor in his relativity mathematics to adhere to the steady-state no beginning model, and later acknowledge it was a mistake due to his philosophical worldview.  This is not just and isolated case, science discoveries are validating scripture and that will be continued into the future.

Science will seem to keep validating scripture so long as you insist on viewing the world through scripture validating lenses.

It's about following the data wherever it might lead - Historical sciences such as astronomy, paleontology, geology oftentimes make inferences to the best explanation of the observed data. For instance cosmology states this: "one second after the Big Bang the mass density of the universe must have been equal, to an accuracy of 15 decimal places, to the critical density where it counterbalanced the expansion rate to produce a flat universe" * - which means if there were any less mass, gravity wouldn’t coalesce the primordial elements to form stars and planets; and if just a smidgen more mass, gravitational collapse would result in a stellar remnant, aka, neutron star.
Based on the precision of this cosmological event, it’s a better inference to concluded that this was ’planned’ rather than unplanned. No need to get all nervous about now, even atheist astrophysicist can believe in creation - http://www.worldscientific.com/worldscib....1142/0602

And even Lawrence Krauss (who knew?) acknowledges that when logic is used, creation is viable. https://books.google.com/books?id=gnthuP...re&f=false

* https://edge.org/conversation/the-inflationary-universe

That's not following the data; that's leading it.

(May 21, 2015 at 2:39 am)snowtracks Wrote:

(March 16, 2015 at 11:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So to sum up: you don't knows it. You can only point to stories that can be twisted to make it sound like something that agrees with your presuppositions.

Millenniums before big bang cosmology, scripture stated that the universe had a beginning. Even Einstein put a fudge factor in his relativity mathematics to adhere to the steady-state no beginning model, and later acknowledge it was a mistake due to his philosophical worldview.  This is not just and isolated case, science discoveries are validating scripture and that will be continued into the future.

The universe is still being created.  It's completely different now than it was a billion years ago.  And it will be different in the future.  That's one reason why the Big Bang Theory is BS.