Again, I'm nitpicking, but the tendency to go from order to disorder is not disorder itself. I'm sure it's an acceptable synonym, but not entirely correct.

I'll stop going off-topic and say I love Charlie Brown. Therefore, Charlie Brown exists.

It's more like entropy causes disorder, but that's because it's nature is disorder. There is nothing else that Entropy is but disorder/dispersement. Sorry, still don't think there is anything to your objection.

(October 7, 2010 at 7:49 pm)theVOID Wrote: It's more like entropy causes disorder, but that's because it's nature is disorder. There is nothing else that Entropy is but disorder/dispersement. Sorry, still don't think there is anything to your objection.

There is no reason to be sorry. I'm fine with being told I'm not correct.

It's not an objection really. It's more like an observation. If entropy causes disorder, it cannot be disorder. It cannot be the cause and effect. Like I said, I am sure it is a perfectly acceptable synonym, but, like so many other definitions or synonyms in the English language, it is confusing in its inaccuracy. It is not wildly inaccurate, just a little off.

Yaaay, I sparked a random debate! I feel so proud of myself.

Haha, it was very random, but it was too friendly to be interesting.

OK, so what's entropy again?

(October 7, 2010 at 11:08 pm)gmjackson Wrote: OK, so what's entropy again?

Biodiversity.

We know that all living things on this planet were created by a process of self-organization. If that is true, then doesn't this mean that the universe has to have a "self" to begin with, which doesn't need to be created? Otherwise, I think it's impossible for a collection of atoms to come together and form a living thing if there is no self-organization involved.

No serious theist says that you can prove the existence of God. One can argue that there are arguments for the likely hood of some sought of higher being, that is all.

Quote:1. Charlie Brown built a doghouse for Snoopy.
2. He is a doghouse builder.
3. My neighbor has a doghouse.
4. The existence of this doghouse implies a doghouse builder.

Therefore:
5. Charlie Brown built my neighbor's doghouse.
6. Charlie Brown is real!

I dont see how you get to premise 5? A doghouse builder built the dog house, why not Bob the doghouse builder?
Theism argues that a builder had to create the universe, we just call that builder 'God'

(October 7, 2010 at 7:44 pm)Shell B Wrote: I'll stop going off-topic and say I love Charlie Brown. Therefore, Charlie Brown exists.

Don't you know that Charlie Brown of course exists anyway? He's a cartoon character.