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Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

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Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:07 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: As God, Jesus is eternal. As man, he cannot die again.

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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:09 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Pizza Wrote: I thought that was more of a Protestant thing, I guess Catholics do it also.

Edit- Now that I think about it, why can't we know now? What is with this game of divine peek a boo?

This question comes up a lot, and here is a good answer to the question; I'm calling it:

The Fine Tuning of the Evidence

Scripture describes God as a hidden God. This means you have to make an effort of faith to find him, and there are clues you can follow. If that weren’t so, if there was something more or less than clues, we would not be free to make a choice about Him. If we had absolute proof instead of clues, then we could no more deny God than we could deny the sun. If we had no evidence at all, you could never get to faith. God gives us just enough evidence so that those who want Him can have while those that don’t want Him are not forced to do so. Those who want to follow the clues will.
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July 18, 2015 at 8:10 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 2:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The Bible, like all holy books and religious writings are myths reflecting the societies in the times of which they were concocted.

Then what is your explanation for the five facts of my OP which are NOT based on the Bible?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:10 pm (This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 8:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh, if we'll all know at death then I can't imagine why you feel the need to muddy the water here in this life. You might find that people came to god quicker had you opened your mouth less often.

-and there wasn't -1- fact in your OP, let alone 5. Are you now claiming that your 5 non-facts don't even come from the bible?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:12 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm)IanHulett Wrote: Randy, will anything convince you to become an atheist?

Based on what I know, no.

Quote:If you've answered no, then you're just trying to convert people.

Yes, of course.

Quote:You're being intellectually dishonest.

No, I'm not.
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July 18, 2015 at 8:13 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 3:26 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(July 17, 2015 at 6:22 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Would you believe me if I said He does?

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Not until he says, "Hi!" to you personally. Then, everyone in this forum will turn on you because you will have NO evidence.

But you will have KNOW evidence, and it will change your life.

Try again, slick.  Evidence is derived from the word 'evident'.  Evidence is only evidence if it is evident to others.  God tapping Jenny on the shoulder and saying "Hi" isn't evidence unless it's observed by someone else.  And, even then, that's only evidence of someone/thing interacting with her, not of your god.  That requires much more evidence, evidence which must eliminate other possibilities from being the most likely explanation.

As I said, if Jenny were to be taken up into heaven by Jesus for a three-hour tour, you would not believe anything she said upon her return.

You wouldn't read her book, and you wouldn't go to see the movie.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm
I'd believe a great deal more of what Jenny had to say than you.  Mull it over.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 8:07 pm)Spooky Wrote:
(July 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: As God, Jesus is eternal. As man, he cannot die again.

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That's what this thread (and others) are all about.

Please pay attention.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:18 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 8:14 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: That's what this thread (and others) are all about.

Please pay attention.

Yet you have offered not one single shred of proof.

Not one.

I'm beginning to think you're an idiot.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 18, 2015 at 8:19 pm
(July 18, 2015 at 8:10 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, if we'll all know at death then I can't imagine why you feel the need to muddy the water here in this life.  You might find that people came to god quicker had you opened your mouth less often.

This is the kind of irrational nonsense that I expect from someone who simply does not want to be confronted by the truth. Interestingly, the Jews said the same things when confronted by the prophet Isaiah when they exclaimed:

Isaiah 30:11
"Leave this way, Get off this path, and stop confronting us with the Holy One of Israel."

So, you would rather I just log off and leave you in peace. In darkness. In ignorance. At enmity with God. But blissful in that ignorance to be sure.

Well, I'm here to brighten your day. [Image: ani_yup.gif]

Quote:-and there wasn't -1- fact in your OP, let alone 5.  Are you now claiming that your 5 non-facts don't even come from the bible?

Perhaps if you started reading the thread from the beginning...
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