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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:17 pm
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(July 20, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 3:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I never said people who think gays are vile don't exist. There are crazy people out there for everything. I said I have never met any, implying that they are rare. The Westboro baptists are a group of like 20 people who Christians in general condemn. They are twenty people out of 2.5 billion Christians around the world.
And I have never met them, thank goodness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOF7y-KuHE
I watched it. How exactly is this supposed to be a counter point to my post?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:18 pm
(July 20, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Sure, you can tell me I'm a cunt and an asshole and a piece of shit all day, I already know that. But it really gets on my nerve when you tell me 'be kind to so and so', and that's not your fucking opinion. I would never say that to you, or anybody.
Can you post a where I said this to you, as not an opinion? I don't remember ever doing so, and don't believe I would.
uh huh, like hell you wouldn't.
(July 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 5:42 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Oh, you see, JHC, he's got this one book......
Please surprise us, kingpin. Our don't, just no more fucking Kalam. Pretty please?
He is speaking for himself.
If it's evidence to him, and he's not shoving anything down anyone's throats, then why the need for hostility? Be kind to the newb, it's not easy coming in here as a theist. 
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:19 pm
(July 20, 2015 at 3:17 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I would never say that to you, or anybody.
Can you post a where I said this to you, as not an opinion? I don't remember ever doing so, and don't believe I would.
He's saying that you could. He's not telling people that they need to be respectful or talk to each other a certain way on here. I don't need to respect your opinion that you think homosexual sex is immoral, or that you think the catholic church is a force of good in the world, or I especially don't need to respect someone's opinion that radical muslims, killing non-believers, is something to be respected. We don't need to be told to respect crazy opinions regarding religion, when we're on an atheist forum.
Did I do any of that?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:20 pm
(July 20, 2015 at 3:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I watched it. What exactly is this supposed to be a counter point to my post?
You were implying people with hateful views are rare.
The title of the vid is "The peaceful majority are irrelevant". If you can't see how it relates, then fuck, I'm really done.
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:21 pm
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(July 20, 2015 at 3:18 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 3:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I would never say that to you, or anybody.
Can you post a where I said this to you, as not an opinion? I don't remember ever doing so, and don't believe I would.
uh huh, like hell you wouldn't.
(July 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He is speaking for himself.
If it's evidence to him, and he's not shoving anything down anyone's throats, then why the need for hostility? Be kind to the newb, it's not easy coming in here as a theist.
And it was shortly followed by this.....
(July 16, 2015 at 5:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: What hostility? Where? Shoving down throats?
He says beliefs need to be based in reality, so there is no place for 'it's evidence to me' here, that's subjective. He claims he has evidence. We've expressed that we're interested in seeing it. I'm just saying if I hear another Kalam I'm gonna part with my lunch, cos that's been done to death so much I think it's necrophilia at this point
Just saying you could have a softer, kinder tone, that's all. Just MHO from one friend to another. Do what you will.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:22 pm
The WBC is hardly alone. It's common place among the lunatic fringe of xtian evangelicals.... which is most of them.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/conserva...s-awesome/
Quote:“People who are hard-working and have to be self-sufficient and are not going to be propped up by the government don’t have the luxury of doing stupid, immoral things,” Stemberg said.
These people are assholes.
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:22 pm
(July 20, 2015 at 3:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 3:18 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: uh huh, like hell you wouldn't.
And it was shortly followed by this.....
(July 16, 2015 at 5:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Just saying you could have a softer, kinder tone, that's all. Just MHO from one friend to another. Do what you will.
Oh, yeah, that changes everything. You just won't admit to anything will you? Like I said, adding 'just MHO' doesn't help. You did say it.
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:23 pm
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You're engaging in precisely the behavior that facilitates the existence of those people, Cath. As mentioned more than once, the production of self serving taboos extended outwards to others. To me, this is probably the most insidious aspect of the christian faith as it stands currently - because it can be leveraged just as aptly from a position of weakness (where it finds itself today) as a position of strength (as it once enjoyed). In either context it is a tool for silencing dissent, this serves -no one-, but the institutions themselves, and even then, it backfires in zealotry.
I could use islam to explain this in further detail, if that would help you to get over your feelings and so see the issue I'm expressing more clearly or in a "friendlier" light -if you'd like. But, shh...don't tell the muslims we're talking shit about them, like meanies.....you game?
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:24 pm
(July 20, 2015 at 3:20 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (July 20, 2015 at 3:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I watched it. What exactly is this supposed to be a counter point to my post?
You were implying people with hateful views are rare.
The title of the vid is "The peaceful majority are irrelevant". If you can't see how it relates, then fuck, I'm really done.
Yes, I made the statement "Christians who think gays are vile, are rare." ...which is a true statement.
The video did nothing to say this was not true. So I really don't see how it relates to what I said.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 20, 2015 at 3:25 pm
(July 20, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The WBC is hardly alone. It's common place among the lunatic fringe of xtian evangelicals.... which is most of them.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/conserva...s-awesome/
Quote:“People who are hard-working and have to be self-sufficient and are not going to be propped up by the government don’t have the luxury of doing stupid, immoral things,” Stemberg said.
These people are assholes.
I agree^
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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