Theists i want a quick forum chat with you

[Drich]

Keep reading Sandy

My point was God DID NOT Make Satan kill anyone or steal everything Job had.

My point was Satan claimed that Job only loved God because God 'bought' his love through his protection and the stuff he gave him.

My Question was, if Satan really thought Job was bought/bribed then why didn't he offer Job more/why didn't he bribe job? Why was his first attempt to change job's mind to take everything from him? To murder his children?

All God did was take the protection He had over Job away and told satan don't hurt him. This does not mean Satan Had to Kill His family and steal all of Job's stuff. Satan could have done what God did, but he did not.

Someone else pointed out or asked why would an all knowing God need to test Job or Satan.. The bottom line for you and your short sighted friends, is the book of Job was not for the edification of God. It is to give the reads of this book insight to the nature of God and the nature of satan. It allows us to see the unrestricted nature of their character.

So I ask you again Sandy.. Is Satan Murdering Job's family and stealing all of his stuff, make him a good person?

Conjecture. Nothing more, nothing less Drich.

Conjecture is making an assertion based on incomplete information. (That is what sandy was doing in the op tubs)

I asked questions based on the information provided by the book of Job. Highlighting sandy' foolish statements that completely over look an entire book of the bible, thereby invalidating his statements.

Questions are not conjecture. Questions reveal conjecture sport.

[dyresand]

Conjecture. Nothing more, nothing less Drich.

Conjecture is making an assertion based on incomplete information. (That is what sandy was doing in the op tubs)

I asked questions based on the information provided by the book of Job. Highlighting sandy' foolish statements that completely over look an entire book of the bible, thereby invalidating his statements.

Questions are not conjecture. Questions reveal conjecture sport.

Job was a victim of a bet. 

Job kept worshiping god even though he kept getting punished to see if he world break and pray to the devil. He didn't break
and he pleaded with god asking he he was doing this horrible acts. The guy lost his wife and children that is more than enough to
completely break someone you wouldn't know what it is like to loose a child and in this case in the story it is a big spit in the face
considering Job never got his original wife or family back afterwards. That should be a big hint considering god of the bible doesn't value
human life at all.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Conjecture is making an assertion based on incomplete information. (That is what sandy was doing in the op tubs)

I asked questions based on the information provided by the book of Job. Highlighting sandy' foolish statements that completely over look an entire book of the bible, thereby invalidating his statements.

Questions are not conjecture. Questions reveal conjecture sport.

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Job was a victim of a bet. 

Job kept worshiping god even though he kept getting punished to see if he world break and pray to the devil. He didn't break
and he pleaded with god asking he he was doing this horrible acts. The guy lost his wife and children that is more than enough to
completely break someone you wouldn't know what it is like to loose a child and in this case in the story it is a big spit in the face
considering Job never got his original wife or family back afterwards. That should be a big hint considering god of the bible doesn't value
human life at all.

The crap that happened to Job is exactly the same crap that happens to everyone at some point in their lives.  All you have to do is read the newspapers or watch the tv news.  

The Job story suggests a way a person might handle such troubles without spinning completely out of control.  At one point it seems as if Job might fall into a well of depression and give up on life.  He was able to retain his core values and went on to recover and enjoy life once again.  

If anyone seriously believes that the God and Satan characters made a bet over Job's faith then he should also believe that the God and Satan characters are real and that they are making bets on everyone in the world.  

Everything that happens to people has already happened to millions of others.  There was no God and Satan involved in Job's life and they aren't involved in ours, other than as superstitions.  

The relevant question is will we be able to carry on in a sane manner once we get doused with a bucket of crap from out of the blue?  Most people need some type of religious crutch to make it through the hard times.  Some throw up their hands and jump off of a cliff.  No one really knows how they will handle hard situations because things are always changing.  What might have been true just last week might be completely different today.  Consider all of the people who have been murdered and injured in the past month.  I'm sure that their survivors felt completely differently before their disasters.  Will they be like Job and recover or will they fall into fatal depression?

[dyresand]

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The crap that happened to Job is exactly the same crap that happens to everyone at some point in their lives.  All you have to do is read the newspapers or watch the tv news.  

The Job story suggests a way a person might handle such troubles without spinning completely out of control.  At one point it seems as if Job might fall into a well of depression and give up on life.  He was able to retain his core values and went on to recover and enjoy life once again.  

If anyone seriously believes that the God and Satan characters made a bet over Job's faith then he should also believe that the God and Satan characters are real and that they are making bets on everyone in the world.  

Everything that happens to people has already happened to millions of others.  There was no God and Satan involved in Job's life and they aren't involved in ours, other than as superstitions.  

The relevant question is will we be able to carry on in a sane manner once we get doused with a bucket of crap from out of the blue?  Most people need some type of religious crutch to make it through the hard times.  Some throw up their hands and jump off of a cliff.  No one really knows how they will handle hard situations because things are always changing.  What might have been true just last week might be completely different today.  Consider all of the people who have been murdered and injured in the past month.  I'm sure that their survivors felt completely differently before their disasters.  Will they be like Job and recover or will they fall into fatal depression?

Religion worship etc is just a crutch for people who do not want things to change and want things to stay the same.
people pray for stuff to happen rather than putting forth the effort of getting it done over all religion is a crutch that needs to go.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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The crap that happened to Job is exactly the same crap that happens to everyone at some point in their lives.  All you have to do is read the newspapers or watch the tv news.  

The Job story suggests a way a person might handle such troubles without spinning completely out of control.  At one point it seems as if Job might fall into a well of depression and give up on life.  He was able to retain his core values and went on to recover and enjoy life once again.  

If anyone seriously believes that the God and Satan characters made a bet over Job's faith then he should also believe that the God and Satan characters are real and that they are making bets on everyone in the world.  

Everything that happens to people has already happened to millions of others.  There was no God and Satan involved in Job's life and they aren't involved in ours, other than as superstitions.  

The relevant question is will we be able to carry on in a sane manner once we get doused with a bucket of crap from out of the blue?  Most people need some type of religious crutch to make it through the hard times.  Some throw up their hands and jump off of a cliff.  No one really knows how they will handle hard situations because things are always changing.  What might have been true just last week might be completely different today.  Consider all of the people who have been murdered and injured in the past month.  I'm sure that their survivors felt completely differently before their disasters.  Will they be like Job and recover or will they fall into fatal depression?

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Religion worship etc is just a crutch for people who do not want things to change and want things to stay the same.
people pray for stuff to happen rather than putting forth the effort of getting it done over all religion is a crutch that needs to go.

That sounds good but not everyone is as stoic as we are.  If America is such a wonderful place why do tens of millions of people have to use various drugs to cope with living here?  If people have such difficulty living in this paradise and have to use drugs to make it through the day maybe religious fairy tales aren't so bad.