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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm
Let me explain something very carefully:
Most people with female bodies get a period between seven and twelve. Do you know what that means? Once you a period your body is technically capable of going through the strain of pregnancy. Now please explain to the ten year old Chilean rape victim why endangering her life is the right thing to do? I'm sure she'll understand completely!
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Let me explain something very carefully:
Most people with female bodies get a period between seven and twelve. Do you know what that means? Once you a period your body is technically capable of going through the strain of pregnancy. Now please explain to the ten year old Chilean rape victim why endangering her life is the right thing to do? I'm sure she'll understand completely!
Different principles apply when the mother's life is at stake, just as I consider it moral to kill a person who is attempting to kill an innocent victim.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 5:14 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 4:42 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 4:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Lek, answer the question:
What gives you the right to make reproductive choices for another human?
If liberty is a major concern in America (I'm assuming here), then why do you presume to take that away from women everywhere?
In our society I don't have a right to take away that choice. Fetuses are not afforded the same rights as people who are already born are. My purpose is to persuade others of the immorality of the practice in the hope that they will make the right choice.
So, would you vote for or against abortions?
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 5:31 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Let me explain something very carefully:
Most people with female bodies get a period between seven and twelve. Do you know what that means? Once you a period your body is technically capable of going through the strain of pregnancy. Now please explain to the ten year old Chilean rape victim why endangering her life is the right thing to do? I'm sure she'll understand completely!
Different principles apply when the mother's life is at stake, just as I consider it moral to kill a person who is attempting to kill an innocent victim.
So basically you think you should get to decide medical decisions based on who you consider eligible for "victimhood" status. And only good "victims" should be able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Otherwise they're murders.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 5:33 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 4:42 pm)Lek Wrote: In our society I don't have a right to take away that choice. Fetuses are not afforded the same rights as people who are already born are. My purpose is to persuade others of the immorality of the practice in the hope that they will make the right choice.
So, would you vote for or against abortions?
I'd really have to think and pray a lot about it. It's kind of like the drug laws. Do they really cut down on drug use? And what kind of situation will arise as a result. I don't know if just making laws is what we need. In my mind the real solution is in changing peoples' minds and hearts. Yeah, I just can't say for sure.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 5:36 pm
Ok. When you make up your mind, let me know.
(July 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Let me explain something very carefully:
Most people with female bodies get a period between seven and twelve. Do you know what that means? Once you a period your body is technically capable of going through the strain of pregnancy. Now please explain to the ten year old Chilean rape victim why endangering her life is the right thing to do? I'm sure she'll understand completely!
Different principles apply when the mother's life is at stake, just as I consider it moral to kill a person who is attempting to kill an innocent victim.
What if a rape victim's life was not threatened? Would you force her to carry her rapists child to term?
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 5:59 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok. When you make up your mind, let me know.
(July 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Lek Wrote: Different principles apply when the mother's life is at stake, just as I consider it moral to kill a person who is attempting to kill an innocent victim.
What if a rape victim's life was not threatened? Would you force her to carry her rapists child to term?
In most cases I think she should carry it to term, but I think I'd leave that decision to her.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 6:11 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok. When you make up your mind, let me know.
What if a rape victim's life was not threatened? Would you force her to carry her rapists child to term?
In most cases I think she should carry it to term, but I think I'd leave that decision to her.
Oh how generous of you! Look you being so kind and letting the simple female make decisions that are obviously to much for her little mind! It's like letting a kid pick the movie!
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 7:02 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Ok. When you make up your mind, let me know.
What if a rape victim's life was not threatened? Would you force her to carry her rapists child to term?
In most cases I think she should carry it to term, but I think I'd leave that decision to her.
I won't belittle this statement, because I think this is a little bit of a shift from your stance at the beginning of this thread.
I hope you see, Lek, that it is possible to be morally against something but support every person's right to make their own choices, even if you disagree with them.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm
(July 26, 2015 at 4:35 pm)Lek Wrote: (July 26, 2015 at 4:17 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: He should also tell us about why he is going against God in the Bible on the abortion issue, since in Numbers 5, God tells people how they should have abortions:
http://www.parallelbible.com/numbers/5.htm
If the God of the Bible is fine with abortions, I rather wonder how anyone who claims to be a Christian can be against abortions.
The simple fact is, most Christians just ignore the Bible when they want to do so, and just pretend that it says what they want it to say.
These verses are not about abortion, but refer to the woman having a womb that will not be able to produce children.
Now we know (in case there was any doubt beforehand) that your reading comprehension is fairly nonexistent.
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