Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .

[SteelCurtain]

Also, when I said you are choosing the fetus' life over the woman's life, I didn't mean her existence, and I apologize for not making that clear. I mean the life she chooses. I mean her professional goals, her family life, her education, her financial situation. If a woman doesn't want a baby, doesn't want to be pregnant, doesn't want to put her body through that, what right do you have to stop her from doing so? What right do you have to shame her because she made that choice?

I just don't put these reasons ahead of human life.

Guess what, Lek? Neither do I. The point is that it is none of our business. I do everything I can to prevent an unwanted pregnancy between my girlfriend and myself. We have financial/career goals that make getting pregnant a bad thing right now. But if she were to get pregnant, the very last thing I would want is abortion. That would be my input. But ultimately I only have input. It is her body, her choice. I am confident that my input would have a heavy influence, but, again, it ultimately isn't up to me---and that's the way it should be. I am not the one that is going to put my body on the line, my career on hold, or my health in jeopardy.

You have yet to answer the question that I and others have asked multiple times. What gives you the right to make those choices for another human being?

 We don't know when a fetus is a human.  If you held a revolver with one bullet in it, and didn't know if the one bullet was in the chamber, would you point it at a child and pull he trigger, because not pulling the trigger was going to hamper your career or your education?

Are you serious with this? This analogy is so idiotic I can hardly figure out where to begin.

You are equating terminating a pregnancy to shooting a baby? You can't be serious.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Generally speaking, I think anyone who would deny a woman the right to control her own reproductive health should be willing to sign a power-of-attorney ceding their own decisions over to complete strangers.

It's great for us men to have opinions on abortion ... cheap opinions because that is a decision we will never have to make. Valuing your own morality over her freedom is simply an attempt to keep women in their place.

If babies are so precious to your god, what's with the verses about bashing out the brains of babies? Not very "pro-life", that Yahweh fellow.

I just don't put these reasons ahead of human life.  We don't know when a fetus is a human.  If you held a revolver with one bullet in it, and didn't know if the one bullet was in the chamber, would you point it at a child and pull he trigger, because not pulling the trigger was going to hamper your career or your education?

This is perhaps the stupidest comparison for abortion I have ever seen in my born days.

[Lek]

...which isn't what you said earlier either. You only said that it was matter of convenience that girls/women had an abortion in the first place. There was no mention of anything else until you then posted the other link.

And this is bracketing out the fact that you are yet to provide ANY evidence in the way of your claim that 'most abortions' are for a matter of 'convenience'. You even presumed the financial stability of these 'most' mothers in that statement, so I'd also like some evidence on that claim too, please.

Or you could retract a statement you know you made without any substianal evidence to back up, on a subject you know nothing about in a field that you have never studied. I know you desperately want to shoe horn the reality of the situation into the small box of your beliefs,mbut it isn't going to fly.

I won't retract my statement because I think that if you abort a baby because he would get in the way of your education or career, be financially stressful, your regular birth control method failed, or you just don't want to have a child, then it is for your convenience. My wife and I could have waited until we were older and more established in our careers, had more money, etc., but we made our sacrifices for the kids and it's all turned out very well. I don't condemn the women making these choices, as I have also made many selfish choices myself, but I still think that is the truth of the matter. I'm sure it's an agonizing choice, but if it is so agonizing why not choose for the life of the child? I can't dictate to a woman what choice to make regarding having an abortion, but what I can do is try to influence her to do the right thing.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I don't condemn the women making these choices...

Oh you think that's not what you're doing? Riiiiight. You're one of those theists that don't mind gays but just hate them doing 'gay' things then, I presume?

Just to iterate to the general membership, Lek has been unable to provide any citation that 'most' abortions are done simply for convenience or as 'just another form of birth control'. He lied, was caught out, and now refuses to retract.

[Cato]

I'm so sick of this anti-abortion bullshit. I have a solution that solves several problems. Can you imagine the squealing involved if we started randomly dropping foster kids on doorsteps of these supposed "pro-lifer" types in order to give the kids a permanent home. Here's your human life, put your money where your mouth is. I don't want to hear any cries that it's not your responsibility, that was true two seconds ago, but the kid is yours now...deal with it. 

Unfair you say? Should have thought about that when the shoe was on the other foot, suck it up. You didn't even have sex? Neither did the Virgin Mary as the story goes, what's your fucking point? How's this 'all life is sacred' thing working out for you now? 

Sanctimonious hypocritical assholes.

[vorlon13]

I just don't put these reasons ahead of human life.  We don't know when a fetus is a human.  If you held a revolver with one bullet in it, and didn't know if the one bullet was in the chamber, would you point it at a child and pull he trigger, because not pulling the trigger was going to hamper your career or your education?

As a matter of fact, we do know when a fetus is a human.

Genesis 2:7 is pretty fucking clear, and why, once again, am I reminding a Christian of this??

[Lek]

I just don't put these reasons ahead of human life.  We don't know when a fetus is a human.  If you held a revolver with one bullet in it, and didn't know if the one bullet was in the chamber, would you point it at a child and pull he trigger, because not pulling the trigger was going to hamper your career or your education?

As a matter of fact, we do know when a fetus is a human.

Genesis 2:7 is pretty fucking clear, and why, once again, am I reminding a Christian of this??

Okay. So when did you become a human being?

[vorlon13]

Ain't my belief.

Supposedly it's yours, so you are STUCK WITH IT.

Unless you don't feel any particular jot or tittle of respect to that verse, then of course, I realize you feel you know better than God. Also, you're not a Christian, you're a Lekite, why don't you get honest about it ??

[Losty]

* voluntarily pay for an extra plane ticket for their unborn child ??

--and--  are they ever pissed off if they are not asked if they want to ??

* Do any christian pro-life businesses ever grant retirement benefits at age 64 years and 3 months for their employees ??

* are any child sexual molestation cases where the age of the victim is germane to sentencing ever factor in that extra 9 months?  (example: if penalties change at age 10 for instance, does that really mean age 9 and 3 months ?)

* when a board game says 'suitable' for ages 4-12, for instance, should a pro-life version of the game be available for parents that feel the game is actually appropriate for children 9 months older (or younger if they are getting as confused about all this as I am, LOL) ??

Only the first one really makes sense to me, we all know prolifers don't give a damn about anyone who lives outside of a womb.

[BrokenQuill92]

Do you think pro-lifers ever adopt any of these unwanted children they go on about.