HOMOSEXUALITY IS A 'SIN'

[Foxaèr]

Now apply mark 10 with everything Jesus had to say on the subject:
Mat 19:
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

Jesus didn't marry  >.>

[robvalue]

I truly feel that GD and DR are vile people. I am left speechless by some of the things they say.

The optimist in me hopes that what we see here is a facade in defence of their horrendous bible, and that they wouldn't actually think this way in real situations.

I really hope so.

I also wonder if they are actually undercover atheists.

[Longhorn]

I also wonder if they are actually undercover atheists.

they sure do our job for us a lot of the time....They're kinda like the GOP in that regard. Idiocy is self defeating

[Redbeard The Pink]

I truly feel that GD and DR are vile people. I am left speechless by some of the things they say.

The optimist in me hopes that what we see here is a facade in defence of their horrendous bible, and that they wouldn't actually think this way in real situations.

I really hope so.

I also wonder if they are actually undercover atheists.

I mean, it's obvious that they are. You can tell just by reading their posts. They will of course deny this, but that's exactly what you'd expect from undercover atheists. What trolls.

[loganonekenobi]

Being raped is not the same as committing "thought" adultery. Maybe you need first hand experience if that's the way you feel. I can guarantee that you'll feel very differently if you were raped. If that's the way you christians think, it's no wonder this world is in the mess it's in. And you say we're the fools.

Got to agree here. First hand experience would probably challenge the whole "lusty thoughts are the same as rape" concept. wouldn't one feel espescialy horified to know that the guy/or gal that just thought of you in a sexual fashion and then walked on would burn in the same place in hell as would a guy/gal that forced unwanted sex upon you. let's just stop for a moment and understand the difference in the kind of damage these two acts do to a person....
lusty thought =0 damage
rape = life time of damage.
If the god of Abraham (Jewish,Muslum,Christian) sees these two as the same then i truly feel most humans can claim better moral values than this god.
The Judeao, christian way is useless in promoting moral values as compared to what we mere humans can do by ourselves.
So for the original aurgument: if you love someone and they love you then love each other no matter what the genders may be. As they say "love conquers all" including the skewed morals of the make believe parent.
(barring legal age requirments of course:must put disclaimer.)

[Drich]

Answer me this Drippy.

If one man lusted after your wife but kept it to himself and another man raped the shit out of your wife, would you feel the same towards either man?

Listen closely all of you, Drich is saying the punishment is the same for all unforgiven sexual sin, death. Drich like myself are not God and we would be more effected about the rape of our wives. He wasn't ever talking about man and the differences in sexual sin, he was speaking of God's judgement on those who are guilty.

GC

what he said

[Drich]

Well, that's what I wrote.   You can do a routine murder and just be charged with a routine murder charge.  But if you verbalize a level of hatred toward the victim they charge you with murder plus a hate crime, although the verbalization had nothing to do with the victim's death.  

Likewise if you get together with someone else and devise a plan for commiting an action they will charge you with conspiracy even though you never acted on the action.  

So hate crimes and conspiracy charges are just BS charges intended to add extra punishment when they had no actual harmful effect on the victim, if there was one.  It's just an application of what Jesus said in Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 5:28.

Humans definitely do not have thought crimes in the same sense that the Bible does. For that brand of thought crime, someone has to literally read your mind, and the thought itself is the primary crime.

With both hate crime and conspiracy, some kind of provable, outward action has to occur. Neither is an actual thought crime, at least not in the sense I'm using the term. No human can punish you for your actual thoughts unless you somehow make them known, and to my knowledge there is no secular law that punishes a thought and nothing else.

So thinking gay marriage is wrong, and refusing to facilitate a gay marriage because of your thoughts is not a punishable crime in your imaginary world?

I posted a fox news link that says otherwise. That pastors are threatened with jail unless they concent to marrying gay people in certain states.

[rexbeccarox]

Cite your sources, Drich.

[Drich]

Listen closely all of you, Drich is saying the punishment is the same for all unforgiven sexual sin, death. Drich like myself are not God and we would be more effected about the rape of our wives. He wasn't ever talking about man and the differences in sexual sin, he was speaking of God's judgement on those who are guilty.

GC

First, I find it interesting how you always claim to speak for others, whether it's your god or a completely vile person like Drich. You should try speaking only for your own loathsome state.

Second: the fact that you could worship a god who thinks that lust equals rape, whether in act or punishment, tells me more about you than your god.

Fucking disgusting.

don't you have a hoop that need hulu-ing? GC did a very good job clarifying my position. maybe back off with some of the personal attacks and try and stay focused on JUST the topic. It's hard enough to push through all the leftist agenda crap you all spew, without reading such deep seeded hatred you have for everyone who does not think like you.

Intollerance of whom you arbitrarily deem 'intollerant' is not ok. realize it or not, self righteously justified or not, In showing intollerance of the suposed intolerant, You are the very same person you are pretending to righteously oust.

[Drich]

It simple, wyrd. All sin has been elevated to death penality offenses.

So how come the punishment is worse than death? That's some justice you got going there.

What are you talking about (Asking for book chapter and verse.)