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RE: Why Christianity?
August 4, 2015 at 5:16 pm
(August 4, 2015 at 5:05 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Here's a list of 113 creator gods.
Yahweh, Ghosty, and Jesus are keeping company with the FSM. How awesome is that? For Yahweh, Ghosty and Jesus that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Creator_gods
Okay guys, I confess, really I am the creator of the universe. I was screwing around with my chemistry set last week, and I must have had my Bunsen burner up a little too high, and I wasn't paying too much attention to it, and out popped this mess. It already had in it your "memories" of what happened in your life "before last week." The cleanup is going to be a bitch, though, and I am torn with trying to fix it as best as can be, or just scrapping the whole thing. Do any of my creations have a preference on this? Right now, I'm leaning toward chucking it all in the bin, but I have not fully made up my mind on this. Anyway, sorry about the mess!
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 4, 2015 at 5:23 pm
(August 4, 2015 at 5:16 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: (August 4, 2015 at 5:05 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Here's a list of 113 creator gods.
Yahweh, Ghosty, and Jesus are keeping company with the FSM. How awesome is that? For Yahweh, Ghosty and Jesus that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Creator_gods
Okay guys, I confess, really I am the creator of the universe. I was screwing around with my chemistry set last week, and I must have had my Bunsen burner up a little too high, and I wasn't paying too much attention to it, and out popped this mess. It already had in it your "memories" of what happened in your life "before last week." The cleanup is going to be a bitch, though, and I am torn with trying to fix it as best as can be, or just scrapping the whole thing. Do any of my creations have a preference on this? Right now, I'm leaning toward chucking it all in the bin, but I have not fully made up my mind on this. Anyway, sorry about the mess!
No no...leave it be for a few billion years and see what happens....
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 4, 2015 at 5:51 pm
(August 1, 2015 at 12:14 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 31, 2015 at 9:09 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If God called you then you are a prophet, right? So what did he say to you? Have you written it down? Did he give you any magical powers? Can you turn a stick into a snake? Can you walk on water? Can you raise the dead? When God first spoke to you did you roll yourself up into a carpet? Did he tell you to sacrifice someone to prove your faith? Can you levitate a mountain? Did he put you into the mouth of a whale for three days? Tell us what happened so that we won't think that you are a lunatic.
It's easy to see who the lunatic is, in case you can't figure it out find a mirror.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 10:36 am
(August 4, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 4, 2015 at 4:25 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: I don't know, that's what you proposed!
Let's just look at three specific gods and start by satisfying point #1. Give me three specific god's that satisfy the requirement of the creation event (point #1). We can then move on to the truth claims of the creation event.
And don't misunderstand, I in no way think that when you accept the premise that God exists for the sake of argument you're now somehow a theist. How do you not know?
Brahma, Yaweh, and Allah. Which Brahma? Your Brahma or mine [although both are equally true]? There are also multiple Hindu creation accounts, which one specifically are you using [although each of those are equally true]?
The Islamic god claims to be the final [and corrected] revelation of Yaweh. Are you claiming them to be the same, or are you differentiating them as different gods, and if so why?
With respect to Yaweh are you claiming creatio ex nihilo or theistic evolution as the creation account?
I realize this may seem a bit tedious, but without defining our terms we can't communicate properly.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 10:52 am
(August 6, 2015 at 10:36 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The Islamic god claims to be the final [and corrected] revelation of Yaweh.
The question is why would an omniscient, omnipotent and eternal being not get it's first revelation correct? Why would it need a second, with the christian coming of christ, and a third, with the revelation on the Arab peninsula?
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 12:04 pm
(August 6, 2015 at 10:52 am)abaris Wrote: (August 6, 2015 at 10:36 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The Islamic god claims to be the final [and corrected] revelation of Yaweh.
The question is why would an omniscient, omnipotent and eternal being not get it's first revelation correct? Why would it need a second, with the christian coming of christ, The coming of Christ is not a "correction" but a fulfillment of what was promised in the OT. It's a continuation.
(August 6, 2015 at 10:52 am)abaris Wrote: and a third, with the revelation on the Arab peninsula? If it's the same god, then yes that would be a good question. If not, then the question is nonsensical.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm
(August 6, 2015 at 12:04 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: If it's the same god, then yes that would be a good question. If not, then the question is nonsensical.
No, it isn't in any case. If it's the same god, it is as you say. If it isn't the same god, he does a good job in taking all the essential personalities from the other religion. From Gabriel to Jesus, down to Mary. It also begs the question of more than one god existing, if it isn't the same god, yet a god.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 1:06 pm
(August 6, 2015 at 10:52 am)abaris Wrote: (August 6, 2015 at 10:36 am)orangebox21 Wrote: The Islamic god claims to be the final [and corrected] revelation of Yaweh.
The question is why would an omniscient, omnipotent and eternal being not get it's first revelation correct? Why would it need a second, with the christian coming of christ, and a third, with the revelation on the Arab peninsula?
Because over time sinnful Man corrupts what he recieve in purity.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 2:18 pm
(August 6, 2015 at 10:36 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Which Brahma? Your Brahma or mine [although both are equally true]? There are also multiple Hindu creation accounts, which one specifically are you using [although each of those are equally true]?
The Islamic god claims to be the final [and corrected] revelation of Yaweh. Are you claiming them to be the same, or are you differentiating them as different gods, and if so why?
With respect to Yaweh are you claiming creatio ex nihilo or theistic evolution as the creation account?
I realize this may seem a bit tedious, but without defining our terms we can't communicate properly. You are wrong. There are multiple Hindu creation accounts, because Hindus believe there are multiple universes. There is only one creation account for our universe. Do some research.
I was not aware of this, so instead of Yaweh and Allah, lets go with Yaweh and Gaea.
I was going to go with the actual creation account in the bible.
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RE: Why Christianity?
August 6, 2015 at 4:27 pm
(August 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm)abaris Wrote: (August 6, 2015 at 12:04 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: If it's the same god, then yes that would be a good question. If not, then the question is nonsensical.
No, it isn't in any case. If it's the same god, it is as you say. If it isn't the same god, he does a good job in taking all the essential personalities from the other religion. From Gabriel to Jesus, down to Mary. It also begs the question of more than one god existing, if it isn't the same god, yet a god. I believe the technical term for that is counterfeit.
(August 6, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 6, 2015 at 10:36 am)orangebox21 Wrote: Which Brahma? Your Brahma or mine [although both are equally true]? There are also multiple Hindu creation accounts, which one specifically are you using [although each of those are equally true]?
The Islamic god claims to be the final [and corrected] revelation of Yaweh. Are you claiming them to be the same, or are you differentiating them as different gods, and if so why?
With respect to Yaweh are you claiming creatio ex nihilo or theistic evolution as the creation account?
I realize this may seem a bit tedious, but without defining our terms we can't communicate properly. You are wrong. There are multiple Hindu creation accounts, because Hindus believe there are multiple universes. There is only one creation account for our universe. Do some research. I will do some deeper digging.
(August 6, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Shuffle Wrote: I was not aware of this, so instead of Yaweh and Allah, lets go with Yaweh and Gaea. Gaea didn't transcend matter.
"In the creation story of the ancient Greeks, Chaos came before everything else. Chaos was made of Void, Mass, and Darkness in confusion. Then Earth, in the form of Gaea, came into existence. From Mother Earth sprang the starry heavens, in the form of the sky god Uranus. From Gaea also came the mountains, plains, seas and rivers that make up the Earth as we know it today."
Reference
The Greek's believed in eternal matter.
(August 6, 2015 at 2:18 pm)Shuffle Wrote: I was going to go with the actual creation account in the bible. 10-4
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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