Energy created nor destroyed.

[uniquepegasister]

You all make excellent points and most are along the lines of what i thought. I just find the theory interesting and a bit funny considering the religious person who brought it up.

[Huggy Bear]

Which is also covered by the section of your article I quoted. Did you even fucking read it? -_-

It does not cover it.

but critics say that the amount of time which Reynolds was 'flatlined' is generally misrepresented and suggest that her NDE occurred while under general anaesthesia when the brain was still active, hours before Reynolds underwent hypothermic cardiac arrest.

Her description was clearly AFTER her brain had stopped functioning.
http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html

When all of Pam's vital signs were stopped, the doctor turned on a surgical saw and began to cut through Pam's skull. While this was going on, Pam reported that she felt herself "pop" outside her body and hover above the operating table. Then she watched the doctors working on her lifeless body for awhile. From her out-of-body position, she observed the doctor sawing into her skull with what looked to her like an electric toothbrush.

You know, you could just as easily cite an instance of consciousness existing outside of a brain.....aaaaaany minute now......

What do you think we're discussing?

[uniquepegasister]

Take a stick of dynamite.  Light the fuse.  Run away.  After the tremendous bang, go back and look for your stick of dynamite.

Boru

First of all that everything that comprised that stick of dynamite still exists, it's just in a different form. Matter and energy both have mass, which means if the dynamite was converted into energy, it still physically exists because energy has mass.

When you die, the chemical energy that your brain and body use simply dissipates. It is not destroyed, rather, it is passed on to the various small lifeforms that help our body decompose.
*edit*
I should add that for a bunch of so-called "critical thinkers" none of you questioned what Boru said (matter / energy cannot be created or destroyed remember), just blindly gave kudos, which shows you'll blindly follow any doctrine, as long as it's against religion...

A battery supplies energy chemically, but when a battery "dies" it can be recharged, why can't you then do the same for a human body?

I very much like the idea you have there but it's a bit on the Frankenstein side. After all thats what Frankenstein was. He was a reanimated body compromised of different parts. However, i think it would be better that the body was originally intact.

[Longhorn]

@Huggy

It does. Right here:

[He] draws attention to the fact that Reynolds could only give a report of her experience some time after she recovered from the anesthetic as she was still intubated when she regained consciousness. This would provide some opportunity for her to associate and elaborate upon the sensations she had experienced during the operation with her existing knowledge and expectations. The fact that she described the small pneumatic saw used in the operation also does not impress Woerlee. As he points out, the saw sounds like and, to some extent, looks like the pneumatic drills used by dentists.

Bold by me

And this doesn't show consciousness outside of a brain. Clearly, a brain was involved -_-

[uniquepegasister]

Is the OP Little Rik in another guise? The style of writing and the spellings (not to mention the metaphysical Woo content) seems suspiciously the same.

I doubt it.
He doesn't post every sentence in a new line.
Like this.
Which gets really annoying.
Also, there's no massive overuse of smilies, for example no   or   or

I do apologize for the odd sentence structure and spelling. Mind you it was nearly 2 in the morning when i posted the forum.

[Huggy Bear]

@Huggy

It does. Right here:

[He] draws attention to the fact that Reynolds could only give a report of her experience some time after she recovered from the anesthetic as she was still intubated when she regained consciousness. This would provide some opportunity for her to associate and elaborate upon the sensations she had experienced during the operation with her existing knowledge and expectations. The fact that she described the small pneumatic saw used in the operation also does not impress Woerlee. As he points out, the saw sounds like and, to some extent, looks like the pneumatic drills used by dentists.

Bold by me

And this doesn't show consciousness outside of a brain. Clearly, a brain was involved -_-

As if that was the only example given, explain this.
http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html

Pam heard and reported later what the nurses in the operating room had said and exactly what was happening during the operation. At this time, every monitor attached to Pam's body registered "no life" whatsoever.

Also

Some scientists theorize that NDEs are produced by brain chemistry. But, Dr. Peter Fenwick, a neuropsychiatrist and the leading authority in Britain concerning NDEs, believes that these theories fall far short of the facts. In the documentary, "Into the Unknown: Strange But True," Dr. Fenwick describes the state of the brain during an NDE:



"The brain isn't functioning. It's not there. It's destroyed. It's abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don't know what's happening and the brain isn't working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won't remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences [an NDE], you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact."
 

"The modern tradition of equating death with an ensuing nothingness can be abandoned. For there is no reason to believe that human death severs the quality of the oneness in the universe." - Larry Dossey, MD

[Excited Penguin]

I think that's what it would look like if the Mythbusters began to tackle philosophical questions

KABLAAAM

Myth busted.

Yup.  Leave it to those guys to settle age-old philosophical conundra by blowing shit up.  

Boru

I read this and found this video =))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5joYY3VrBtM

[Excited Penguin]

OP, what do the laws of energy conservation have to do with the concept of a soul? How does your friend make that connection?

[Lucanus]

@Huggy

It does. Right here:


Bold by me

And this doesn't show consciousness outside of a brain. Clearly, a brain was involved -_-

As if that was the only example given, explain this.
http://www.near-death.com/science/eviden...-dead.html

Pam heard and reported later what the nurses in the operating room had said and exactly what was happening during the operation. At this time, every monitor attached to Pam's body registered "no life" whatsoever.

Also

Some scientists theorize that NDEs are produced by brain chemistry. But, Dr. Peter Fenwick, a neuropsychiatrist and the leading authority in Britain concerning NDEs, believes that these theories fall far short of the facts. In the documentary, "Into the Unknown: Strange But True," Dr. Fenwick describes the state of the brain during an NDE:



"The brain isn't functioning. It's not there. It's destroyed. It's abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don't know what's happening and the brain isn't working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won't remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences [an NDE], you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact."
 

"The modern tradition of equating death with an ensuing nothingness can be abandoned. For there is no reason to believe that human death severs the quality of the oneness in the universe." - Larry Dossey, MD

Remember, Huggy, all this is coming from the website of a bloke trying to sell his books on this shit. Of course he's gonna make it all sound woo-ey and mysterious.

Also, wow, a quote from the leading expert on NDEs! How about a good old-fashioned peer reviewed study? It's not unethical to gather the experience of people undergoing similar traumas. Let's do that in a reliable way, then we'll talk. I don't trust sensationalism.

[Huggy Bear]

Remember, Huggy, all this is coming from the website of a bloke trying to sell his books on this shit. Of course he's gonna make it all sound woo-ey and mysterious.

I suppose Dawkins gives away his books for free?

Also, wow, a quote from the leading expert on NDEs!

???
I don't see your point.
If you wanted a consultation on brain surgery, you'd want the leading expert in that field, correct?

How about a good old-fashioned peer reviewed study? It's not unethical to gather the experience of people undergoing similar traumas. Let's do that in a reliable way, then we'll talk. I don't trust sensationalism.

https://iands.org/publications/journal-o...nds13.html

Journal of Near-Death Studies

This is the only peer-reviewed scholarly journal (ISSN 0891-4494) devoted exclusively to the field of near-death studies. It is cross-disciplinary and published quarterly. For more information, click here.