Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love

[Wyrd of Gawd]

But equally simply put, being a good and decent person isn't enough to get off the train. It isn't even the main requirement, at least for your kind of denomination. Divine bootlicking is.

By what measure are you using to define 'decent person?'

'decent person' is a sliding scale, that means one is only better than the worst among your social group. Or borrowing from my Zombie metaphore the 'decent' are those who have the virus, but have not 'turned.'

Their were 'decent' prision camp Nazis. Oscar shindler comes to mind. Their are 'decent' members of ISIS, or so would say their mothers. The word 'decent' can mean anything, it is not a set or absolute standard.

Our works or ability to be decent (good bad or indifferent) is that train headed to Hell. Why because everything has been infected with sin/Zombie virus that is on that train. Which the only way to be rid of it is either hell fire, or the cure Jesus offers in the way of atonement.

You may want to say Because you have not 'turned' (into a zombie) or because you feel fine you do not need the shot or series of shots to cure you of this virus. Bottom line though, if you are on the train your already infected, and the only way off is either to be rid of the virus through hell fire or though the cure Jesus offers.

Someone like the OP may say 'that's not love' and to a degree they are right. That is not love for the infected, but at the same time why should their be love for the infected if the refuse the cure? Where would the love be, if God allowed the 'unturned' infected to mingle with the cured/saved? It is only a matter of time before the infected turn, and when we are with God on the other side, we will have nothing but an abundance of time. In essence God will have placed a ticking time bomb among those who love Him with all they have been given. It's already happened once with Lucifer and a 1/3 of the population of angels. Time allowed the sin virus to fester in their systems, which 'turned' angelic being into demons.

Are God's evil angels demons?  He has a lot of them to do his dirty work, according to the fairy tale.

[Mystic]

The caller to God is the door of the darkness of our sins, and is the help of God. 

I'm not sure of Christianity, but for example,  Moses was the way out of the darkness for Pharaoh and his people.

In each day and age, there exists a means towards God by which God wants us to enter.

The arrogance of saying "we don't need any help from you God to guide us out" is to stay, you who stumble in the darkness at the initial steps can be guided on your own through out the journey to God without divine help. You who have no sight of the path ahead can make it stumbling in the darkness without a light that sees the path and can show you the path.

Who's more worthy of being followed, who guides to the truth or that who doesn't guide to the truth unless it is guided. 

Obviously, people stating their opinions and society forming up cultural morals always happened and people followed leaders who didn't know the truth fully.

However, God knows who guides to the truth and as such can bring such people out.

Among the truths they guide to is how to show humility towards God both outwardly and inwardly, and repent sincerely out of love and regret.

Jesus was such a leader and guide, and his revelation called towards such guidance.

However people centered too much around one of the means towards God (Jesus) who was the light of the world, and equated him to God.

However it was true the way out of sins and the way to show repentance to God was through Jesus.

We are broken and have chained hearts, and need a connection to God. Jesus was that connection, and door God wanted people to enter by.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The "love they neighbour" bit, in the comparatively tiny New Testament, is the equivalent of father saying the odd "kind" thing now and then while beating the shit out of you the rest of the time.

The "love thy neighbor" bit is not original to the New Testament.  It was copied from Leviticus 19:18.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Leviticus%2019:18

BTW, it only applied to fellow Israelite neighbors.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The core message of christianity
preacher: Accept gods love or burn in hell oh and i-... god needs your money.

Don't forget that the 4th Commandment is to bring cash when you visit God (Exodus 34:19-20).

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The caller to God is the door of the darkness of our sins, and is the help of God. 

I'm not sure of Christianity, but for example,  Moses was the way out of the darkness for Pharaoh and his people.

In each day and age, there exists a means towards God by which God wants us to enter.

The arrogance of saying "we don't need any help from you God to guide us out" is to stay, you who stumble in the darkness at the initial steps can be guided on your own through out the journey to God without divine help. You who have no sight of the path ahead can make it stumbling in the darkness without a light that sees the path and can show you the path.

Who's more worthy of being followed, who guides to the truth or that who doesn't guide to the truth unless it is guided. 

Obviously, people stating their opinions and society forming up cultural morals always happened and people followed leaders who didn't know the truth fully.

However, God knows who guides to the truth and as such can bring such people out.

Among the truths they guide to is how to show humility towards God both outwardly and inwardly, and repent sincerely out of love and regret.

Jesus was such a leader and guide, and his revelation called towards such guidance.

However people centered too much around one of the means towards God (Jesus) who was the light of the world, and equated him to God.

However it was true the way out of sins and the way to show repentance to God was through Jesus.

We are broken and have chained hearts, and need a connection to God. Jesus was that connection, and door God wanted people to enter by.

So do you do your praying in private in a closet and do you fast with a smile on your face?  Have you cut off any body parts to keep them from causing you to sin?

[The Valkyrie]

[dyresand]

Run it's the crazed butt stabber, he stabs vertically in a thrusting motion.

[robvalue]

The "love they neighbour" bit, in the comparatively tiny New Testament, is the equivalent of father saying the odd "kind" thing now and then while beating the shit out of you the rest of the time.

A comprehensive reading of the bible, keeping in mind all the injunctions on who you can kill and why, suggests that "thy neighbor," specifically refers to people that share the precise same subset of traits that the christian god finds acceptable, and that the hidden corollary of "love thy neighbor" is that everyone else is to be conquered or slaughtered in keeping with the execution orders in the rest of the book.

You're totally right. Considering Jesus is God (usually) and he made it clear his old rules stand, the message is really "love those in your own group". God has no problem with you doing whatever the fuck you want to anyone not bowing down to worship him.

It's good that people completely misinterpret this by taking it out of context. It's kind of hilarious to me that Christians have to draw a circle round this one passage and then just jettison the whole of the rest of the bible, pretending it all never happened, in order to arrive at a very obvious and unoriginal basis for morality.

[Ronkonkoma]

He let himself be pierced by a lance, and from his side flowed blood and water. This way, opening wide the torrent of Mercy, especially for those who did him the greatest harm. The infant king who was persecuted by kings and armies from the day he was born. A limp infant under the stars, who was born in a manger for livestock because there was no room for him at the inn. The Alpha and the Omega, who was and is to come. He was humble. A reed he did not break, and a stone he did not leave overturned. We killed him because we couldn't stand his immense innocence and honesty. He does not condemn unfairly, just as he didn't condemn the woman who was caught in adultery. Rather, he drew a line in the sand so that those who were going to stone her would back off. If we hated him, only then we would condemn ourselves to hell. But knowing him it is hard to hate him, unless we hated ourselves first. Either way, sooner would heaven and earth freeze over than his mercy fail to embrace a trusting soul.

[robvalue]

Yeah...

I'm able to forgive people and be merciful without incarnating a version of myself and then watching myself get tortured and killed.

Where did this rule come from that he could only have mercy after bizarre self mutilation? Is he bound by some outside rule, or did he constrict himself with this rule? What's it gonna be today?

No one harmed God, they harmed each other if anything. How can anyone harm God? Why should I care about his opinion of my actions?

Remember he is "saving us" from himself. He's the one who is going to torture us forever by default. He plays both sides, and clearly has a hero complex.

Research question for Christians: did the "holy lance" that pierced Jesus on the cross appear in the original account from Mark, or was it a detail added to later account(s)?