The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[The Grand Nudger]

When a guy requests that I take him into my body, Rek.....I politely decline....regardless of how super-swell a guy he might be according to his friends and fans.

[Whateverist]

No way I'm opening the door and just letting him cum in either.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Not every animal cares deeply about the survival of their offspring, but in humans this tendency is likely also the result of evolution. Beings that don't produce a lot of offspring at once tend to be very protective of their young, and this is likely because beings with low birth rates who didn't protect their young didn't survive as a species. Spiders don't have to care for their babies because there are so many; statistics says that at least a few will survive, even though they're so tiny and edible. Humans, on the other hand, most often have only one baby at a time, which means we would have died off if we hadn't tended toward caring for our babies. The tendency to survive long enough to replicate itself seems to be an innate quality of life that doesn't even require a consciousness to function. Survival even at the microscopic level takes some work, so things that don't work toward survival don't achieve it. Awareness is simply an evolved quality that makes the survival of certain species more likely. The need for survival predates the need for awareness; not all levels of life require awareness to survive.

Again this is not an attack but evolution seems to be like a magic word for grand leaps of development in an organism life. I don't know if you ascribe to this but how does a collection of atoms 1) produce life and 2) how does this collection of atoms produce a self aware organism? Where is this in the process of evolution and how did this start to happen?

There are few if any grand leaps in evolution. It is by definition a process that describes painstakingly slow change over massive periods of time. Creatures never just up and give birth to a new species. They will always produce new members of the same species that are a little different than its parent(s), and after many generations the differences become so great that the newer creatures can't produce viable offspring with their ancestors or cousins (which is when the organisms become classified as different species from each other).

1) The process by which non-living molecules and matter form into living matter is called abiogenesis, and there's currently not a thorough explanation of it. That being said, we do have a rudimentary understanding of some of the processes that it likely demands (such as the forming of organic compounds from non-organic matter and the forming of basic proteins from those organic compounds). Under lab conditions designed to simulate earlier stages in Earth's development, scientists have caused the formation of various basic proteins and proto-cells. We're probably within 50 to 100 years of understanding abiogenesis completely, and that's probably a conservative estimate. We're very close.

2)As organisms advance and develop more complex systems, eventually we get the arrival of senses and the need to process information from them. As the sensory information processing systems evolve over generations, self-awareness gradually develops as a side-product and potentially as a survival mechanism for creatures that are able to think. Self-awareness, in other words, is a highly evolved function in creatures with a nervous system.

[Rekeisha]

Again this is not an attack but evolution seems to be like a magic word for grand leaps of development in an organism life. I don't know if you ascribe to this but how does a collection of atoms 1) produce life and 2) how does this collection of atoms produce a self aware organism? Where is this in the process of evolution and how did this start to happen?

There are few if any grand leaps in evolution. It is by definition a process that describes painstakingly slow change over massive periods of time. Creatures never just up and give birth to a new species. They will always produce new members of the same species that are a little different than its parent(s), and after many generations the differences become so great that the newer creatures can't produce viable offspring with their ancestors or cousins (which is when the organisms become classified as different species from each other).

1) The process by which non-living molecules and matter form into living matter is called abiogenesis, and there's currently not a thorough explanation of it. That being said, we do have a rudimentary understanding of some of the processes that it likely demands (such as the forming of organic compounds from non-organic matter and the forming of basic proteins from those organic compounds). Under lab conditions designed to simulate earlier stages in Earth's development, scientists have caused the formation of various basic proteins and proto-cells. We're probably within 50 to 100 years of understanding abiogenesis completely, and that's probably a conservative estimate. We're very close.

2)As organisms advance and develop more complex systems, eventually we get the arrival of senses and the need to process information from them. As the sensory information processing systems evolve over generations, self-awareness gradually develops as a side-product and potentially as a survival mechanism for creatures that are able to think. Self-awareness, in other words, is a highly evolved function in creatures with a nervous system.

Why don't we see abiogenesis today? We see life coming from living things everyday so why not life coming from non-life?

Why do some organisms become more complex? Are there signs even now of life becoming more complex? Why don't other organisms become more complex?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Why don't we see abiogenesis today? We see life coming from living things everyday so why not life coming from non-life?

Why do some organisms become more complex? Are there signs even now of life becoming more complex? Why don't other organisms become more complex?

There's a lot of speculation about why abiogenesis doesn't seem to occur on Earth any more, and the most common proposed reasons are that the conditions necessary for it to happen no longer exist here, and that the things life needs to get started would be eaten on a planet that is already over-run with life, so even if proteins and/or other new organics did start to form, established life forms would eat them before they could evolve into anything.


I don't really know why different organisms evolve at different rates, but I imagine it has a lot to do with environmental demands. Yes, there are signs that all life forms are continuing to evolve. Every time new life is made, it is slightly genetically different from whatever made it in the vast majority of cases, and that's all evolution needs to keep rolling: tiny changes accumulated over large periods of time.

[IATIA]

Why don't we see abiogenesis today? We see life coming from living things everyday so why not life coming from non-life?

Do we know for a fact that it is not happening?

Why do some organisms become more complex? Are there signs even now of life becoming more complex? Why don't other organisms become more complex?

The organism does not become more complex. It is the offspring. There are 15 to 20 thousand new species discovered every year.

[Rekeisha]

Why don't we see abiogenesis today? We see life coming from living things everyday so why not life coming from non-life?

Why do some organisms become more complex? Are there signs even now of life becoming more complex? Why don't other organisms become more complex?

There's a lot of speculation about why abiogenesis doesn't seem to occur on Earth any more, and the most common proposed reasons are that the conditions necessary for it to happen no longer exist here, and that the things life needs to get started would be eaten on a planet that is already over-run with life, so even if proteins and/or other new organics did start to form, established life forms would eat them before they could evolve into anything.


I don't really know why different organisms evolve at different rates, but I imagine it has a lot to do with environmental demands. Yes, there are signs that all life forms are continuing to evolve. Every time new life is made, it is slightly genetically different from whatever made it in the vast majority of cases, and that's all evolution needs to keep rolling: tiny changes accumulated over large periods of time.

So why do believe in this? The day before yesterday you said that they are about 100 years out to making abiogenesis work but that means that they have not. Yesterday you say that it isn't happening now so it would seem to me that there is no scientific evidence that abiogenesis actually happens. Am I wrong?

So we see Micro evolution but what about Macro evolution. Where are we see this happen? Where do we see genetic information being added to organisms?
evolution

[Rekeisha]

Why don't we see abiogenesis today? We see life coming from living things everyday so why not life coming from non-life?

Do we know for a fact that it is not happening?

The most I have is God and Louis Pasture who discovered that life does not come from non-life, but it seems that abiogenesis is seen in a different way now. We don't seem to be walking around fining that life is sprouting out of non-life and just because we are discovering more species doesn't mean that those came from non-living objects. Nature is consistently creating life from life. I have looked at the evidence from my world view so I would tell you no.

[Whateverist]

So why do believe in this? The day before yesterday you said that they are about 100 years out to making abiogenesis work but that means that they have not. Yesterday you say that it isn't happening now so it would seem to me that there is no scientific evidence that abiogenesis actually happens. Am I wrong?

Abiogenesis isn't really a theory, it is merely a name for an unknown natural process. It is simply the assumption that the process when discovered will turn out to have been natural.

Don't forget that your divinity theory is also an unknown process. You don't know whether your god used a deeper understanding of the natural world to create life or whether it was pure magic. Neither of us has any advantage here. The exact means by which the inorganic became organic is not known .. not by us, not by you.

So we see Micro evolution but what about Macro evolution. Where are we see this happen? Where do we see genetic information being added to organisms?
evolution

Abiogenesis is not what is meant by macro evolution. Macro evolution is merely a term used to indicate substantial change which the theory of evolution would describe as taking place over a long series of micro mutations.

[Redbeard The Pink]

So why do believe in this? The day before yesterday you said that they are about 100 years out to making abiogenesis work but that means that they have not. Yesterday you say that it isn't happening now so it would seem to me that there is no scientific evidence that abiogenesis actually happens. Am I wrong?

So we see Micro evolution but what about Macro evolution. Where are we see this happen? Where do we see genetic information being added to organisms?
evolution

Yes, you're wrong. Having incomplete information and incomplete evidence is not the same as having no information and no evidence. We don't fully understand the process, but we're pretty sure we do understand various stages, chemicals, and processes that would be necessary for it to happen. We just don't have all the pieces yet.

Micro evolution IS macro evolution. They are the EXACT same thing. Macro evolution just takes longer because it's the accumulation of many, many instances of micro evolution.