RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 8, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Especially Joseph Smith.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 8, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Especially Joseph Smith.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm
(This post was last modified: September 8, 2015 at 10:06 pm by Pizza.)
(September 8, 2015 at 8:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:I don't know what your problem is.(September 8, 2015 at 7:49 pm)Pizza Wrote: Drich is talking about religious experiences, I think.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 8, 2015 at 10:15 pm
(September 8, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Pizza Wrote:(September 8, 2015 at 8:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I would prefer Drich's words to your uninformed speculation, thank you.I don't know what your problem is. I suspect that Jörmungandr wants Drich to hang himself rather than have you do it for him. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 9, 2015 at 9:41 am
(September 8, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Irrational Wrote: Your experiences with God are true because you know God is true. But how do you know God is true? Because your experiences with God are true. If that's not circular, I don't know what is.Ah, no. I came into this knowing what the bible said, and even then I doubted a lot. Then I had a couple experiences including a few revelations/better understanding of the bible. I honored those revelations and experiences by changing how I thought about God and made small adjustments to my life to reflect what I had learn, I have repeated this pattern for the last 20 years. Two things happened. I am now a completely different person, and what I thought God was/suppoesed to be is not even close to what I have found in my life which is supported by Scripture. The God of the bible is so vastly different from what most of us/you all think God should be, you all think I am joking or being a troll when I talk about Him. Find out that God is the oppsite of what you expect and honoring the God you find is not circular reasoning nor confirming a bias. it is the oppsite. It is seeking the truth and holding on to what is Good despite what you thought to be true. Quote:Regarding your Obama example, I believe Obama is real because (for example) I see him on the news and have no good reason to assume he's fake. But I don't go around saying "Obama is my proof and, therefore, I experience Obama in my life".That is not the circumstance I provided. Do you see how you had to completely change the parameters of my hypothetical just to not concede my point? The paralells I drew between Obama and God still stand. Why? because even with man a person in power does not subject himself to the whims of the common person just to 'prove' himself to an indivisual. If the Indivisual wants personal 'proof' he must follow whatever procedure that is in place, and meet whatever qualifications set fourth by that VIP. My illustration did the same thing in a more relatable way. That is the point not what you actually believe. So to say again if our VIPs have a procedure to qualify to meet them then why would one assume that God is waiting with baited breath to perform what ever magic trick or grant wishes for you to prove Himself to you? RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 9, 2015 at 9:45 am
(September 8, 2015 at 6:21 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(September 8, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: Uh.. yeah. Duh.. It seems your the one confused. I clearly stated that if my knowledge of God was solely based on the tangable evidence and someone removed the tangable evidence then my belief would change. However since the tangable/written word is only apart of my belief system any change to the written word would not change what I have confirmed through personal experience. RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 9, 2015 at 9:51 am
(September 8, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 8, 2015 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote: I ask you who is making a greater leap of blind stupid faith here? The one who has witnessed ... God and with ever fiber of their being know what they witnessed and experienced to be more true than any other truth one can experience, or the one wanting to play out a 'logical senerio' that involves time travel? I outline what I've experienced through my 'Hell, or my brief experience of it' thread, my 'messenger/message' thread, and several other discussions concerning my health and the opportunities I've been given. (all of which we have discussed in the past.) Well all of which alpo and I discussed in the past. RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 9, 2015 at 12:01 pm
(September 9, 2015 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote:(September 8, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: What exactly did you witness? Did you see Him? So no actual 'witnessing' of God, except in a dream? RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 9, 2015 at 12:23 pm
Quote:So no actual 'witnessing' of God, except in a dream? Sounds like drippy is channeling "paul." That fucker was a big one for hallucinations, too. RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 9, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Just FYI
Drich quoted "Jesus said "don't muzzle the ox while treading out the grain." Deuteronomy 25:4 1 Timothy 5:18 1 Corinthians 9:9 That's OT and Paul. It's not in the Gospels. Jesus didn't say it.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 10, 2015 at 10:08 am
(September 9, 2015 at 12:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 9, 2015 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote: I outline what I've experienced through my 'Hell, or my brief experience of it' thread, my 'messenger/message' thread, and several other discussions concerning my health and the opportunities I've been given. (all of which we have discussed in the past.) Well all of which alpo and I discussed in the past. Dreams and empowerment is how God throughout the NT works. Not to mention I only say 'dream' because I went to sleep in my bed and when the experience was over I woke up in the same place. Everything else about that experience plays out like any other waking memory. I've never had a 'dream' experience like this one. And, again my experience is not 'proof' for you nor was it meant to be. It was for me. God however offers you exactly what you need to establish and maintain faith as well. Who knows if your lucky God will send you to Hell too!! |
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