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(September 30, 2015 at 5:01 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: [...]Why is it every time, without fail, we see evidence of consciousness, it is associated with a physical brain.
And, as of yet, no one has ever been able to provide demonstrable evidence of consciousness that exists without a physical brain.
Even though wishful thinking morons, like Little cRiket have been trying to do that for tens of thousands of years.
It only took science less than 100 years, between theory of evolution and discovery of genetics, confirming it. Yet magic people are still as deep in the woods, as they ever were.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
September 30, 2015 at 9:51 pm (This post was last modified: September 30, 2015 at 9:58 pm by Reforged.
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(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is No evidence that with the physical death everything is over.
Has already been established that there is NO evidence that we got the consciousness that we got thanks to previous generation.
Has already been established that there is No evidence that God does not exist so everything is possible.
In the physical arena the small is attracted to the big so is quite possible that our small consciousness is attracted by a bigger and infinite consciousness.
All it is possible.
The problem however is how to find out where is the truth and how the system works.
Science is all about finding out the truth.
Nobody invent anything.
People only discover something.
What we discover today is most probably already been discovered in far away more evolved planets in far away solar systems and what we will discover tomorrow is something likely already been discovered in other places so the knowledge is everywhere and the best way to discover more knowledge is to keep our awareness open to all possibilities.
Few atheists are open to possibilities while most of them are not.
Physically speaking our body works very well if our arteries are not clogged up with impurities so the blood flow freely.
Mentally speaking is the same.
Dogmas or false truth prevent the free flow of what is true.
Our awareness must be open to all possibilities.
This is the only way to reach the truth but considering that atheism in general is build on dogmas like
believing that with the physical death is all over and other believes based on no evidence than is clear that the flow of truth will never reach their inner self.
As the heart bring life to all the body also the cosmic awareness bring the truth to the inner self.
There is no need to try to invent anything.
All is already there.
All is needed is to allow the flow to run freely that is why a belief like atheism that prevent this flow of truth is unscientific.
You're right. Lets assume theres an afterlife. That is after all the only scientific option left by your extremely convincing and 100 percent fact checked... poem?
Do you ever catch yourself wondering what someone like you is doing actually existing as opposed to being a fictional character in a precautionary tale about the dangers of being so far up your own arse you can taste your next speech?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
(September 29, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You seem to be under the impression that Rik is Christian. He is not. He's a follower of Ananda Marga, a sect of Hinduism.
Yes. It very much matters which sect is perpetuating the crazy this time!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
Well, well, just what i expected.
After i pointed out your falsity you change story by reversing the burden of prove on me.
You are those who made a claim not me.
You are the ones who said that the consciousness is a product of the brain.
Now that you can not come up with solid evidence to back up your claim you change story and say that all the evidence actually does point to consciousness being a product of a physical brain but where the hell is this evidence?
Wonder wonder how the plants that have no brain can have so much feelings.
Where these feelings originate from if they haven't got a brain?
I am sure you guys will come up with more crap by saying that these feelings are none by chemical reactions or other bullshit.
(September 29, 2015 at 2:26 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: This is just plain stupid, but since I wasted several minutes reading this idiotic crap I may as well debase it. Lets just take this one asinine statement at a time so we can break it down clearly and without confusion.
Actually there's a mountain of evidence, like the fact that one never hear's again from one's deceased relatives. If grandma and grandpa are still there, why don't they come to visit their grand kids once a month, and I don't mean as an abstract feeling, but rather why don't they just sit and talk, if "god" forbids them, why would your god do such a thing? Actually, I'm more agnostic than atheist in that I think there is an afterlife but its a natural biological phenomenon that exists regardless of religion, and I personally have a hunch that the behavior of electrons and two quantum phenomena known as quantum entanglement and the Kondo state will explain it, but even if that were true it wouldn't substantiate your religion. While I may not know all that's going on in the universe, I do know, as surly as I know that the earth orbits the sun, that your religion is bull.
I fail to see how you can claim anything has been established when that sentence barely makes any sense. I'm not being sarcastic, I mean that sentence is barely coherent.
To break it down simply, we have consciousness because each each cell in our central nervous system acts like a tiny quantum computer with information stored as quantum states in suspended electrons. Before you claim that this is proof of your religion, remember it would have started with one multi-cellular organism having one or two such cells to process and store information, as these cells provided a survival advantage most likely because they could store information on the location of food and helped locate more, this organism became wildly successful, then every time a random mutation caused an increase in the number of these cells it provided a greater advantage until we ended up here, arguing over computers about whether or not your religion should control the body hearts and minds of every single human being because you just say it should.
No one has established any such thing. Your religion claims to have been written by the creator of the universe and to be constantly guided by such, however it imprisoned, tortured and murdered people for fifteen hundred years up too and including most famously Galileo Galilee simply for stating that the earth orbits the sun.
Since your religion oppressed a very simple fact which people could observe to be true in the nights sky because they had mistakenly claimed the opposite, I think its more than safe to say your religion is not written or inspired by the creator of any universe, let alone this one. First off, the "small" is not attracted to the "large", you state this as though it were a law a physics, but its simply not.
Objects are attracted proportionally to their masses because all protons have mass, but the attraction is mutual and proportionate. so when you jump up for example, the earth actually moves an infinitesimally small amount upwards toward you, proportional to its mass relative to yours. since your mass is incredibly small compared to the mass of the earth, the earth has a proportionally huge effect on you, but where your mass is infinitesimally small compared to the earth, you have an infinitesimally small impact on the the earth. I learned that in the third grade, and again in middle school, and again in high school physical science. where did you go to school, the deep south?
second, even if your statement wasn't fundamentally wrong according to elementary school level physics, the behavior of massive objects and the behavior of consciousness need not relate to one another. the assumption that they do is just that, an assumption.
Are you from the deep south? Yes, that is learning, not assuming things are as you want them to be because it makes you feel superior and righteous in hating innocent people over sex.
Do i need to define the difference between an invention and a discovery? oh why bother I'm not paid to be a grade school teacher.
So if we stop thinking aliens will think for us? again this isn't sarcasm, I'm really not sure what your trying to say here.
That's an awfully broad and overarching statement that just isn't true, I'm just not going to give my body heart and mind to your religious leaders because they demand it, I don't give a damn how jealous they are over other people having sex without their permission and I don't care how superior it makes you feel to claim your holy for you hatred of other peoples sexuality. I say that because physiologically, that is what your religion provides you. By exalting hatred and aggression toward the sexuality of others as holy, it not only gives people an pseudo-moral excuse for engaging in the behaviors of alpha male and female gorilla's, it actually exalts those behaviors as holy and claims that alpha's are actually superior for engaging in them.
So my head is clogged because I know your religion is false and don't exalt you and your religious leaders as morally superior? I think your the one who's not open to any other possibilities except the belief that your religion makes your morally superior for hating it when other people have sex without involving you in the decision. But your not open to anything except the belief that you and your religious leaders are superior for being angry that others have sex.
It's not dogma to know your religion was wrong about the earth orbiting the sun. Your whole claim is that god wrote and inspires it, but if they so wrong about something so fundamental how could it be written or inspired by the creator of the universe?
In other words it makes you feel good to hate others over sex, so you call that good feeling cosmic awareness and act as though it is evidence of your superiority.
Because your religions founders already invented all the excuses you'll ever need.
yeah, something's flowing freely alright, but its brown, it smells nasty and truth it is not.
You seem to be under the impression that Rik is Christian. He is not. He's a follower of Ananda Marga, a sect of Hinduism.
I really need your help yogini.
Please help and tell Little Rik how AM. is a sect of Hinduism when in fact the AM yoga philosophy originate long before Hinduism?
(September 29, 2015 at 2:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You seem to be under the impression that Rik is Christian. He is not. He's a follower of Ananda Marga, a sect of Hinduism.
I really need your help yogini.
Please help and tell Little Rik how AM. is a sect of Hinduism when in fact the AM yoga philosophy originate long before Hinduism?
Well thank fuck for your yoga philosophy. I mean without it how else would we determine the inner workings of the universe via sub-standard poetry?
I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to march over to CERN and tell them to stop wasting their time.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
(October 1, 2015 at 10:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I really need your help yogini.
Please help and tell Little Rik how AM. is a sect of Hinduism when in fact the AM yoga philosophy originate long before Hinduism?
Well thank fuck for your yoga philosophy. I mean without it how else would we determine the inner workings of the universe via sub-standard poetry?
I don't know about you guys but I'm ready to march over to CERN and tell them to stop wasting their time.
They are not wasting their time at all.
In fact slowly slowly they are getting there but this there will be the border between the physical universe and what is behind this universe.
Once they get at the border they for sure will want to cross this border and merge in the real thing.
But at this stage you wouldn't have a clue what this is.
But don't despair Drake.
Give time and everything will be sorted out.
(October 1, 2015 at 10:29 am)robvalue Wrote: If you get to tell us what beliefs we have as atheists (this seems to be all you do actually), then we can do the same for theists. You're a Hindu.
Hindus believe in the caste system.
Hindus often kill those who kill cows.
Hindus believe in dozen of Gods.
Most Hindus priests use drugs to get high.
Little Rik must be a bad Hindu because he doesn't do all these things.
