Being an ex-muslim in Britain

[Lemonvariable72]

Brainwashed? That's fucking rich coming from someone that considers the Quran revealed wisdom from god.

Hello Cato. I missed your spicy comments..

Actually it is, and I believe that if everybody followed it, our world today would be a better place, a place free of war, misery, poverty, greed & tears.

Nestor

This is a cheap drawing. This is a better one :

Wow atlas your photo does a much better job of demonstrating whats wrong with Islam(even your brand). Personally I prefer my women on their feet, eyes open, not letting a dictator that is a fantasied uber alpha male male rule their lives, and not to mention showing their beauty to whomever the fuck they please.

[Kingpin]

Brainwashed? That's fucking rich coming from someone that considers the Quran revealed wisdom from god.

Hello Cato. I missed your spicy comments..

Actually it is, and I believe that if everybody followed it, our world today would be a better place, a place free of war, misery, poverty, greed & tears.

You do realize that the middle east is the most war torn part of the world and Islam sects are killing each other daily right?  Not to mention countries where Sharia Law is enacted are some of the most miserable and poverty stricken places on the globe.  There are tens of thousands of stories that aren't told that are similar to Malala's or Soraya M.  You think if the whole world was this way it would be a better place?  I think if you were a woman you would be singing a different tune.

Saudi Arabia Poverty:  http://time.com/3679537/rich-nation-poor...di-arabia/
Iraq poverty:  http://www.irinnews.org/report/84526/ira...verty-line
Iran poverty:  http://www.indexmundi.com/iran/populatio..._line.html
Afghanistan:  http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/countr...fghanistan

[Napoléon]

Funny that a guy who says that a world ruled by Islam would be a world of peace, when the reality is the precise opposite, is the one telling us all that we're drinking the koolaid.

What a timewaster.

[Minimalist]

I'm guessing being an ex-Muslim is shitty everywhere.

Still beats being a muslim.

[WinterHold]

Cato

C'mon Atlas, you could at least make a half-hearted attempt at being intellectually honest. The reason the Hadiths exist to begin with is that the Quran is clear as mud and people couldn't easily determine 'how' to follow it. I'm quite certain that if tomorrow every Muslim dropped the Hadiths and lived only by the Quran, Islamic areas of the world would still be a hotbed for violence.

Like it or not, Islam is more than the Quran. The fact that Islam needed the Hadiths is all one needs to know about the Quran's inability to be used as a stand alone guide for morality and establishing a functioning society. All you are really arguing is that a 'new' interpretation is needed rather than relying on the ancient Hadiths. Like The Bible, The Quran's time has come and gone.

All you are doing is spraying petrified shit with perfume and trying to peddle it as a paperweight. Join the rest of us and use reason to improve society. Constantly droning on about the supposed mind drippings of an illiterate 7th century merchant is counterproductive.

Here's a point we'll never agree on : the Quran to my eyes is extremely clear. Hadiths were noting but an attempt to turnaround the clear verses & turn them into something else.
I documented some examples in my topic in the Islamic section : "How it was forged".

The verses about morality in that book, taught me how to respect & love all humans, no color would differentiate us nor a race; I learned how to respect peoples' choices; without the Quran I would've remained another pawn circling the infinite wheel that governs the Middle East for years..

I was swinging towards atheism; actually to a degree of hating God. But it's hard to neglect the hand of humans in all the misery I saw.

The region is so tribal, don't judge Arabs as "religious" only; they are tribal above all..without taking this into the mixture; you'll never understand the course of the Hadiths, and how they carried tribalism & racism into their core; trying to infect the Quran with an early nationalistic parasite; the sad truth : it worked

Lemonvariable72

It's not "my brand"; it's following the Quran alone..funny enough, many of the things thought to be "forbidden" by your average Muslim become allowed. Those women who choose to believe, only seek the mercy of a deity that left its marks everywhere for us to see & stand in wonder; blessed us with life, brains..one of his mercies too were the mercy he planted between men & women.

About the beauty, I always believed it's the beauty of the soul & heart; yes physical beauty is a nice thing, but a sexy woman with a corrupted soul looks to me as ugly as king Kong.

And actually, that deity -God- liberated women in the Quran, when he said literally that "men are from women & women are from men"; i.e "we're equal". Liberated them again, when he told us that men & women were both created from the same soul; = "we're equal"; again. Alpha male ? mmmm NOT !

lkingpinl

In the dark ages, Andalus -current day Spain- was actually so much safer than Europe. Let's not go so faraway : in the 40s, Millions were dying in Europe while we, Middle Easterns, lived a life safer than now.

The Middle East is so torn up by wars; yes; but thanks to whom ? Arabs only ? Muslims only ? or in a better political sense "Muslim dictators backed up by certain western states" ?

Was Iraq safer before or after the American invasion ?

Was Syria safer before or after American/Russian interventions ?

Name me a Muslim dictator who causes war; so I can name you the western state that supports him with arms, air force, helmets, body armors, sniper rifles, machine-guns & intelligence support too.

ISIS ? didn't many warn the U.S, that committing war crimes in Iraq, would make many natives insane & super angry, to the level of ultra terrorism ? especially when these war crimes, were commited because of a lie (WMDs)?


Savor me this ancient argument..In conclusion, the west is only safe, because the chess game is being played in the backyard (Middle East). We dictator freaks who can't count 2+2; reaching the throne.. goats who use a forged religion to silence the masses.

But who feeds those goats ?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco

http://militarybases.com/saudi-arabia/

Napoléon

What I told lkingpinl :

Savor me this ancient argument..In conclusion, the west is only safe, because the chess game is being played in the backyard (Middle East). We dictator freaks who can't count 2+2; reaching the throne.. goats who use a forged religion to silence the masses.