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I completely agree.
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I completely agree.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/george-w...roup-says/

Quote:George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should face prosecution over CIA’s secret torture program, group says
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#2
RE: I completely agree.
Unless there is historical and/or legal precedent for this, I doubt it's going to happen. The US has committed far worse atrocities under different presidents and they never had to face the consequences of their actions either.
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#3
RE: I completely agree.
Never had to does not equate to morally acceptable.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#4
RE: I completely agree.
(December 1, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Kitan Wrote: Never had to does not equate to morally acceptable.

Who said it does? Huh
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#5
RE: I completely agree.
Sometimes you have to wonder how much of a logical fallacy "might makes right" is.
Say what you will about the morality, it gets results.
"Oh whats that? That little philosopher over there has a counter-point? Oh no! A UAV just came out of nowhere and blasted him in two! I guess he forfeits the debate."
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#6
RE: I completely agree.
Might makes right is pretty much the basis of the Abrahamic religions, and most republicans are christian. Who is surprised?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: I completely agree.
(December 1, 2015 at 7:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Sometimes you have to wonder how much of a logical fallacy "might makes right" is.
Say what you will about the morality, it gets results.
"Oh whats that? That little philosopher over there has a counter-point? Oh no! A UAV just came out of nowhere and blasted him in two! I guess he forfeits the debate."

Imagine you and I are having a disagreement about, say, the doctrine of cuius regio, eius religio as presented in the Treaty of Westphalia. Rather than concede any of your points, I lose my temper and beat you to a bloody pulp.

Does this make me 'right'?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#8
RE: I completely agree.
No.  It makes you Bush or Cheney.
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#9
RE: I completely agree.
(December 1, 2015 at 7:31 pm)Ludwig Wrote: Who said it does? Huh

You did, by stating that presidents basically got away with murder.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: I completely agree.
(December 1, 2015 at 7:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(December 1, 2015 at 7:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Sometimes you have to wonder how much of a logical fallacy "might makes right" is.
Say what you will about the morality, it gets results.
"Oh whats that? That little philosopher over there has a counter-point? Oh no! A UAV just came out of nowhere and blasted him in two! I guess he forfeits the debate."

Imagine  you and I are having a disagreement about, say, the doctrine of  cuius regio, eius religio as presented in the Treaty of Westphalia.  Rather than concede any of your points, I lose my temper and beat you to a bloody pulp.

Does this make me 'right'?

Boru

At that point is anyone contesting whether you are?
1984 had an interesting concept at the end. That God is power. Able to make people believe fundamental untruths, to force its will on anyone or anything. In the end thats what happens to Winston Smith and then he is disposed of. The very idea in Winstons mind that opposed Big Brothers philosophy was redacted and eradicated before he was killed.
When noone is left to say might is wrong whats the difference? Isn't that how much of history has been written?

The fact of the matter is; if you have enough power you can make any falsehood you want in anyones eyes a truth. I'm not saying might is right but if might wanted to it could make me believe that. With a sufficient amount of might you could make everyone believe that. At that point isn't it true?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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