Personal relationships with deities

[miaharun]

Again Sir, On another thread i was telling about a person i met (A theist) and how he told me all his misdeeds will be forgiven by God after marriage. Womanize, bribe, steal, cheating people etc etc. Still you think there is no major difference ?

Again i know of person who was a prostitute dealer who became a Christian (Prior Buddhist) to wash away all that sin. About a year ago i had a chance to ask him "what about all the misdeeds you did when you were young and how many young women's lives did you mess" his answer was " After i took Jesus into my heart, God has forgiven me for all what i have done. Now I'm a better person"

Still you don't see the alarming factor when humans think that they are forgiven from a higher power. What makes them a better person till they die? They can still do misdeeds and seek this "forgiveness" . I'm not saying everyone is like that. Most of the theists i know are very good loving people. Because of this "forgiveness" factor people tend to do more misdeeds in my humble opinion.

[Reforged]

Again Sir, On another thread i was telling about a person i met (A theist) and how he told me all his misdeeds will be forgiven by God after marriage. Womanize, bribe, steal, cheating people etc etc. Still you think there is no major difference ?

Again i know of person who was a prostitute dealer who became a Christian (Prior Buddhist) to wash away all that sin. About a year ago i had a chance to ask him "what about all the misdeeds you did when you were young and how many young women's lives did you mess" his answer was " After i took Jesus into my heart, God has forgiven me for all what i have done. Now I'm a better person"

Still you don't see the alarming factor when humans think that they are forgiven from a higher power. What makes them a better person till they die? They can still do misdeeds and seek this "forgiveness" . I'm not saying everyone is like that. Most of the theists i know are very good loving people. Because of this "forgiveness" factor people tend to do more misdeeds in my humble opinion.

Hang on. Doesn't reincarnation also do that? 
You have an endless chain of reincarnated lives which basically translates into immortality. What happens if you're a total shit? You get turned into a bug or something in the next life. So what? Thats like a pretty short sentence if you're a serial killer or something. 
Like no matter what I do I know I can eventually work my way up to being a human again. There is literally no real punishment for anything in your religion. Its all part of the eternal loop of death and rebirth leading to the leap that takes Sam Beckett home to becoming one with Buddha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjK9GJMBpt0

[miaharun]

Again Sir, On another thread i was telling about a person i met (A theist) and how he told me all his misdeeds will be forgiven by God after marriage. Womanize, bribe, steal, cheating people etc etc. Still you think there is no major difference ?

Again i know of person who was a prostitute dealer who became a Christian (Prior Buddhist) to wash away all that sin. About a year ago i had a chance to ask him "what about all the misdeeds you did when you were young and how many young women's lives did you mess" his answer was " After i took Jesus into my heart, God has forgiven me for all what i have done. Now I'm a better person"

Still you don't see the alarming factor when humans think that they are forgiven from a higher power. What makes them a better person till they die? They can still do misdeeds and seek this "forgiveness" . I'm not saying everyone is like that. Most of the theists i know are very good loving people. Because of this "forgiveness" factor people tend to do more misdeeds in my humble opinion.

Hang on. Doesn't reincarnation also do that? 
You have an endless chain of reincarnated lives which basically translates into immortality. What happens if you're a total shit? You get turned into a bug or something in the next life. So what? Thats like a pretty short sentence if you're a serial killer or something. 
Like no matter what I do I know I can eventually work my way up to being a human again. There is literally no real punishment for anything in your religion. Its all part of the eternal loop of death and rebirth leading to the leap that takes Sam Beckett home to becoming one with Buddha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjK9GJMBpt0

Of course Sir. If one is a serial killer (according to what i believe) the consequences can be devastating. In this life or the next ones. If one is born as a animal it is very very difficult to attain a human life because an animal brings Karma on instinct. If it's a lion , the intention is killing and killing. It will be very difficult to get out of that life. I know I'm talking " Mambo-Jumbo" to you, since you asked i explained. Punishment can vary, either your born deformed, with diseases, have a heart attack at a young age etc etc. The Buddha has thought that the universe is expanding and closing and that is a cycle. Nothing is eternal. One doesn't have to be the Buddha to seize to exist. Nirvana could be achieved after attaining Buddhahood, Pase Budhu and Maha Rahath states. Again , "Mambo-Jambo" to you.

[robvalue]

My wife wants to know how a horse goes about earning Karma points, especially since there is no way they would ever possibly understand the concept in the first place.

[The Grand Nudger]

Punishment can vary, either your born deformed, with diseases, have a heart attack at a young age etc etc. 

What is it you never tell people again, lol? Look, I agree with you..christians are ridiculous.....but.......not for any reason that you aren't.

[miaharun]

Every living being is expected to work as they are supposed to be. Human beings are to act like humans, and animals are expected to be like animals. The ability to rationalize is just an attribute of humans.

Animals, even if they cannot rationalise their actions, doesn't mean they don't have karma. They definitely do what they are supposed to do. The lions, hunt, and protect their pride; the snakes are expected to bite when in danger, and that is their karma (work / action).

[The Grand Nudger]

What an elaborate underpinning of fantasy you have there. If the nature of an animal is expected, then surely whatever is in human nature is expected as well. Lions kill competitors, humans kill competitors. No harm no foul in either case, amiright? Don't tell me we've been singled out for special treatment...by a magical force, capable of interceding in our many lives, that will disproportionately reward or punish us based upon an inconsistent set of metrics as related by believers.

That sounds oddly familiar, don't you think.......?

[miaharun]

I look ridiculous. Yes i am to an Atheists eyes. I don't deny it. That is because i don't take Buddhism on top of my head. It is there, I think i am a good person because of it's teachings and my family background. That's about it. I was trying to explain that a Theist will have a helping hand for benefits and forgiveness and I don't. and how asking for "forgiveness" can be dangerous.

[miaharun]

Lions kills on instinct. That is how they function. Humans can think before they act.

[The Grand Nudger]

Theists don't have any helping hands that you don't.  Their gods don't have that ability, any more than your karma has the abilities you claim for it.

Lions can also think before they act.....they're very smart. Humans also act on instinct. My summary of the buddhist position as related by you appears to be correct, and it's functionally identical to it's christian counterpart.