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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:04 am
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So...
How does a lion get bad karma? Not killing?
Anything they do is in their nature, unless they've been screwed with.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:10 am
(December 29, 2015 at 8:04 am)robvalue Wrote: So...
How does a lion get bad karma? Not killing?
Anything they do is in their nature, unless they've been screwed with.
A lion will gain good karma from protecting the herd, lioness by protecting and nurturing her young. Bad from killing, fights etc. I don't think a lion can do anything other than that.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:14 am
(December 29, 2015 at 8:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: Theists don't have any helping hands that you don't. Their gods don't have that ability, any more than your karma has the abilities you claim for it.
Lions can also think before they act.....they're very smart. Humans also act on instinct. My summary of the buddhist position as related by you appears to be correct, and it's functionally identical to it's christian counterpart.
Sir, I gave an example before a person known to me saying God has forgiven him for his past being a prostitute dealer. Isn't that helping? Why is it that all your sins are washed away when one takes Jesus into one's heart. There is nothing like that in Buddhism. They are no where near identical.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:30 am
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I sometimes wonder which motivates you more, criticism of christianity, or defense of buddhism from your criticisms of christianity. 
If you commit to doing good deeds, are your karmic sins not washed away? Can you not influence your karma? Can you not, with the good, ameliorate the effect of the bad? Christians believe that not only is taking jesus into your heart a "good deed", but that it will also help them to perform good deeds. Just as you believe that buddhism is, itself, good..... and that buddhism helps you to achieve good deeds.
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December 29, 2015 at 8:31 am
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:33 am
I have told you Sir on the previous posts. No matter how many good deeds i do the bad deeds wont get erased. I have to suffer the consequences. I cannot influence it. That is why i always said from the beginning , There is no escape. I am responsible for my actions.
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December 29, 2015 at 8:34 am
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Then karma is a toilet circling the drain, in your estimation...where the bad just piles up and the good goes unrecognized - it does not modify one's karma? Christians -also- believe that they will suffer the consequences of their actions, specifically their sins. They will die. Death is the price of sin. Suffering is the price of sin. They will die, they will suffer, regardless of whether or not they are saved by grace, through faith or works. It is not an article of christian faith, that accepting jesus into your heart will remove you from the very real consequences of your earthly actions. It won't, for example...get you out of prison, or un-murder someone. That is not what they mean, that is not how they understand their faith, you have misunderstood.
The manner in which -they- understand their faiths -as stated-, is very similar to the manner in which you understand your own. You are hung up on the color of two dresses, when I'm discussing the similarities between the girls -wearing- those dresses.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:42 am
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Sir, the bad will have it's consistences. The result of goods deeds, You can be born beautiful, wealthy, more comforts, intelligent, good family with values etc etc.
Not the Christians i know. Especially the person i told you about. Clearly a prostitute dealer has sinned. How many young girls lives has he messed up? Yet he has no guilt now since he became a Christian. He is happy with that thought that God has forgiven him. When he dies, he is confident of going to eternal paradise. I don't believe death is suffering. It's and of a life cycle. There isn't anything to be afraid of unless one has not been a good person.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 8:48 am
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Again, that's an elaborate underpinning of fantasy you have there. I wonder if buddhism has ever done any market research? They could make a killing in beauty with claims like that.
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The pimp's peace of mind is his good karma catching up to him. He did a good deed, accepting jesus into his heart, and doing that good deed helped him do other good deeds. His karma has been improved. He's still a pimp, society might get around to punishing him for that regardless of his situation with the divine. Consequences have not been erased.
Now, I think that you might find some christian traditions downright pleasant. For example, some christians believe that no amount of good deeds could ever repay our "debt" of sin. That you can never do so many good things that the bad is washed away. In fact, a great many christians believe this. Your friend (and plenty of pimps, hypothetical and actual), likely, included.
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RE: Personal relationships with deities
December 29, 2015 at 9:01 am
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I wonder how the lion is supposed to know what karma wants it to do and what it doesn't?
I don't even know, and I'm a human having a conversation about it.
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