The role of Islam in the current conflicts

[mr_j936]

firstly by "role of Islam...." in current conflict i am sure you mean Arab countries that America is in war with and has declared war upon, or has been involved with on a war level

No, we are mainly referring to Muslims killing each other and everyone else in Syria, Libya, Egypt(briefly), Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Darfur(Did I miss somewhere? I probably did)  and of course Muslims killing everyone else in France and... well mostly France(seriously who can hate France?) The US invaded Iraq 13 years ago, time to move on now... wait, I forgot, you're still fighting over things that occurred 1000 years ago, 13 years is definitely not time to move on.

I understand resisting American invasion in Iraq, and in fact I was for it. But then, big surprise, you start killing your own, that is mostly what disgusts me... Like each other, then we just might start to like you...

[yukapuka]

firstly by "role of Islam...." in current conflict i am sure you mean Arab countries that America is in war with and has declared war upon, or has been involved with on a war level

No, we are mainly referring to Muslims killing each other and everyone else in Syria, Libya, Egypt(briefly), Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Darfur(Did I miss somewhere? I probably did)  and of course Muslims killing everyone else in France and... well mostly France(seriously who can hate France?) The US invaded Iraq 13 years ago, time to move on now... wait, I forgot, you're still fighting over things that occurred 1000 years ago, 13 years is definitely not time to move on.

I understand resisting American invasion in Iraq, and in fact I was for it. But then, big surprise, you start killing your own, that is mostly what disgusts me... Like each other, then we just might start to like you...

firstly your asking them to move on after 13 years doesnt bring back their dead, doesnt build back their houses, their jobs, their economy, their infrastructure , their society, their people dont come back to life from the graves

so they wont forget it even 50 years later

its easy to say that when you haven't experienced it , but God forbid it happens to you, i bet you wont forget it even if you were reincarnated 1000 time over

about them fighting each other, just shows what kind of a mess American invasion had upon them and the proof is simple, did this exist prior to all the American military campaigns? (going before Saddam before Gulf War etc)

[mr_j936]

Our greatest enemy is not the US (I am an arab, for all I know we both are from the same country) Muslims are killing other Muslims, Muslims have killed more Arabs and Muslims than any foreign power ever did. How many did the Israelis kill throughout the conflict? in 50 years, 100 thousand? That's how much Muslim on Muslim violence killed in Syria for the past 4 years alone, it's also how much the Lebanese have killed from one another in their civil war and lets not count Iraq and Libya and the rest.

In both world wars the Germans killed millions of french and english and destroyed infrastructure (in 2 wars, twice) But they made peace and moved on and became great nations. Muslim nations would never do this however, because there is no easy access to heaven and virgins when there is no one to blow yourself up against. If you find life is shitty, you can just go die against your enemy and you think you'll be a hero. Real heroes are the ones that use their brains and make the best out of a situation, and build and make life better around them.

[WinterHold]

Getting a local potentate to sign a predatory border agreement preventing his raiders from operating in their adjacent territories is how they showed their affection?  There are probably better examples.

Seculars don't love, Rhythem. 
"A scoundrel might be of good use to us, just because he's a scoundrel"-Lenin.

I used the term to drop a sarcastic light; something to giggle about while reading.
Meaning is : without some western countries that practice secularism, crazy sunna/shia would never find strongholds protecting them from justice.

MNMP

You're missing a lot by not eating the garlic dip.
Salafism is the international version of "Wahhabism". 

But yes, a lot are coming from other countries, especially the Pakistan/Afghanistan region.

Yukapuka


Arab states are not enemies of America. They are allies as a matter in fact.
Then again, Muslims did turn religion into a weapon that they used in slapping other civilizations.

History wise, the mongols didn't attack until a Muslim sultan butchered their messenger and robbed their caravans (twice). Also, Spain was invaded and armies kept fighting around France, all of that before any attack comes from Europe against Muslims.

As for the modern era, the most ruthless people are Muslim leaders. Muslim governments butcher their citizens in ways worthy of Mexico's drug cartels and narcos. The invasion of Iraq couldn't take place without the help of surrounding Arab/Muslim countries.

[The Grand Nudger]

Getting a local potentate to sign a predatory border agreement preventing his raiders from operating in their adjacent territories is how they showed their affection?  There are probably better examples.

Seculars don't love, Rhythem. 
"A scoundrel might be of good use to us, just because he's a scoundrel"-Lenin.

I used the term to drop a sarcastic light; something to giggle about while reading.
Meaning is : without some western countries that practice secularism, crazy sunna/shia would never find strongholds protecting them from justice.

IDK, I think you're entirely wrong on that on.  Crazy Shia and Sunni will always find refuge in those same places they traditionally have, within their batshit crazy shia and sunni communities.  But you're probably right, if it weren't for the western satan of secularism the middle east would be a model of peace, self policing, and the brotherhood of man........

[WinterHold]

Seculars don't love, Rhythem. 
"A scoundrel might be of good use to us, just because he's a scoundrel"-Lenin.

I used the term to drop a sarcastic light; something to giggle about while reading.
Meaning is : without some western countries that practice secularism, crazy sunna/shia would never find strongholds protecting them from justice.

IDK, I think you're entirely wrong on that on.  Crazy Shia and Sunni will always find refuge in those same places they traditionally have, within their batshit crazy shia and sunni communities.  But you're probably right, if it weren't for the western satan of secularism the middle east would be a model of peace, self policing, and the brotherhood of man........

Who knows ? 
I mean, just check out the amounts of intervention committed by the English & the French.
i.e every Arab country you see today is a resultant conclusion milked out of an English/French/Imperialistic Russian treaty called "Psykes & Picot" agreement.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%8..._Agreement

Where religion & other factors used to cut the region like a pie. But hey, the oil is not burning until somebody hit things so hard to spark into the fuel, setting us on fire.

Check the link of the treaty; then come preach me about the evil of religion, Rhythem.
Secularism led to the Atomic bomb anyhow, right ?

[The Grand Nudger]

Praise allah, pass the salt.

[Anomalocaris]

Indeed, it is better to paint a crescent on a silly flag and prostrate oneself before some squiggles allegedly representative of the rambling of some self serving desert pedophile thug than to acquire such an verifiable understanding of the world as to actually go to the moon.

Incorrigibly backward, incorrigibly in denial, and bitterly resentful of anyone who would point that out.

Focusing on pointing out shortcomings in systems of thought which demonstrates practically superiority to your in every last way would not allow you to bridge even a single inch of the vast fundamental chasm, nor make your creed a single iota less moribund, now or ever.