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January 29, 2016 at 5:47 pm (This post was last modified: January 29, 2016 at 5:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I can hardly take the credit, you put the work in yourself, as Mr. Craig has put the work in. Solid performer, fills the seats.
I recall Craig having mentioned that he doesn't believe on the strength of any argument he's offered, on any rebuttal. Deconstruction of those arguments would be inconsequential to the strength of those beliefs, which are independent of them. How about you?
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(January 29, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Meh. I don't have any strong opinions about WLC. I think many people don't like him because he is successful at what he does, and what he does is tied to faith. The larger questions about his honesty and sincerity I don't feel equipped to answer.
Which of William Lane Craig's books have you read personally, rob?
I'm not rob. And I haven't read any of his books. I'm not much of a reader. I've watched a few of his debates and read a little at his website. How many books on Hindu spirituality have you read?
I'd forgotten you were still around (would be) atheist-rocker. Have you ever said what your mission here was? I'd have to say you're on some self-appointed ministry. Does that sum it up?
Still not bringing one single argument. Still working on irrelevant side issues. Can't really have very much respect for the man or any confidence in his work.
Like I said, have given up on honest debate. I can tell when someone is trying, and when they are simply argueing for the sake of it.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.
January 29, 2016 at 6:27 pm (This post was last modified: January 29, 2016 at 6:29 pm by athrock.)
(January 29, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 29, 2016 at 5:44 pm)athrock Wrote: Which of William Lane Craig's books have you read personally, rob?
I'm not rob. And I haven't read any of his books. I'm not much of a reader. I've watched a few of his debates and read a little at his website. How many books on Hindu spirituality have you read?
Oops. Sorry.
And none.
But then I'm not on a website calling Hindus liars, charlatans, deceivers...well, you get the idea.
But there are plenty of people here calling Craig that and worse without the benefit of actually having read any of his works.
(January 29, 2016 at 5:55 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: I'd forgotten you were still around (would be) atheist-rocker. Have you ever said what your mission here was? I'd have to say you're on some self-appointed ministry. Does that sum it up?
(January 29, 2016 at 6:25 pm)robvalue Wrote: Still not bringing one single argument. Still working on irrelevant side issues. Can't really have very much respect for the man or any confidence in his work.
Like I said, have given up on honest debate. I can tell when someone is trying, and when they are simply argueing for the sake of it.
I just did a search for Posts and Threads containing the phrase "William Lane Craig". There are hundreds.
Is this something you REALLY want to do again?
And let me ask: Which of William Lane Craig's books have you read personally, rob?
January 29, 2016 at 6:39 pm (This post was last modified: January 29, 2016 at 6:40 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
@ Athrock
(January 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm)athrock Wrote:
(January 29, 2016 at 2:07 pm)Evie Wrote: Sam Harris says that the character of God is psychopathic. That is not to say that those who believe in him are. In the video Sam Harris even specified that that was not what he was saying, and the maker of the Youtube video even made that clear too. Did you even watch the video? This is all dealt with. WLC completely misrepresents Sam Harris, Harris was attacking God and calling God a psychopathic character, not the religious.
That quote you quoted doesn't says religious people are mentally ill, it says their beliefs are mentally ill.
Did you even watch the video? Check 6 minutes in.
Did you even read my post? I said I watched it.
Sam Harris Wrote:Then you either didn't watch the video, didn't understand the video, or you're as disingenuous as WLC.
Seriously... wtf. Even those who like WLC should be able to see that he clearly misrepresented Harris there. Harris called God psychopathic and specified that he wasn't saying religious people were, and then you think that when WLC represented Harris as saying that even the theists who were there at the debate were psychopathic you think that that's not misrepresentation? Wtf.
Oh, I'm just another liar for jeebus. Just as Rhythm. He'll tell you all about me.
Point is that if you had watched the video then it makes no sense for you to not see the mirepresentation WLC is making. I think you're disingenuous just like he is.
Evie Wrote:Even those who like WLC should be able to see that he clearly misrepresented Harris there. Harris called God psychopathic and specified that he wasn't saying religious people were, and then you think that when WLC represented Harris as saying that even the theists who were there at the debate were psychopathic you think that that's not misrepresentation?
Did Sam Harris call religious people psychopathic? No. Did WLC misrepresent him that way? Yes.
(January 29, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm not rob. And I haven't read any of his books. I'm not much of a reader. I've watched a few of his debates and read a little at his website. How many books on Hindu spirituality have you read?
Oops. Sorry.
And none.
But then I'm not on a website calling Hindus liars, charlatans, deceivers...well, you get the idea.
But there are plenty of people here calling Craig that and worse without the benefit of actually having read any of his works.
How is reading his book going to help determining if he is a liar and a charlatan? Liars and charlatans write books, too.
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