If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Sheed1980]

Just hold on to that thought when ur asked 3 questions by the 2 angels.

[Angrboda]

Yeah, you're so not getting what I'm saying.  Are you just here for Dawah, because I'm not.

That's part of my duty to etell the truth about Islam. All I can do is tell u about it. How u take it is totally up to u

Yeah.... well if you're just here to spew, that's not much of a conversation.

[Sheed1980]

That's part of my duty to etell the truth about Islam. All I can do is tell u about it. How u take it is totally up to u

Yeah.... well if you're just here to spew, that's not much of a conversation.

Well it's not the only reason. I also like to learn about different religious views or non religious views that people believe in. This way I know how to compare them with my belief as a Muslim

[Wyrd of Gawd]

So who revised the Koran to include chapters and verses?  It must have been done after the 16th Century.

If you got it right the first time, why would conflict exist at all? I find it absurd to blame the misinterpreted competing versions of even the same religion on those who claim they are reading it the proper way. If this universal god wants humans to get along, it seems  going out of his way to allow different versions and competing religions the opposite of the universal message he claims.

I think you're a little off on your conclusion.  From the pure Islamic pov muslims are supposed to believe everything in the Bible and Torah.  Of course since they are forbidden to read those books they can't believe what's in them.  So that makes the Islamic clerics liars and deceivers because they don't believe what's in the Koran.  

Religious people tend to get bad attitudes when it's suggested that they should follow one  doctrine.  If they did that then countless people would lose their special status and jobs.  Consequently they all want to retain their own herd where they can be the big wig.  In a fractured system everyone can get to be someone special even if it's just the head of a small gaggle of superstituous twits.  

Even Mohammed complained that his herd of twits had formed over 70 different sects in his lifetime and he was the one who supposedly came up with the BS in the first place.  

There is no celestial God of any kind in this solar system.

[Brian37]

I'm sure they are as convincing to you as they are unconvincing to me.  The bulk fall under the headings of numerology and retconning, the practice of putting new interpretations on old passages as if the interpretation was there all along.  I don't think we need a rehash.

Well I know how a lot of atheists believe in scientific and astronomical reasoning and as I said there are plenty of examples of the Qur'an that are supported by these schools of thought. For example there are 114 chapters in the Qur'an. Ch.57 is Al-Hadyd or The Iron. Arabic letters have numerical value like Roman numerals in a sense. So with the word for iron Hadyd...(Ha)H=8 (Dal)D=4 (Ya)Y=10 and (Dal)=4. Add these values together u get 26. Look on any periodic table on Fe the symbol for iron u see the atomic number is 26. Now furthermore the Arabic article Al which means the (Alif)A=1 and(Lam)L=30. Add this 31 to the value of 26 Making it 57 and Al-Hadyd "The iron" which is the chapter name and number. To take it 1 step further 57 is exactly halfway through the Qur'an..scientists have discovered that if u cut the Earth in half, exactly to its inner core, it consists of molten iron.

Sure you do, because you define atheist differently than an atheist does.

Now again, Islam is not the only religion that has fans who point to their book to claim it matches science. Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists do it too.

When religion cant debunk science it tries to co opt science. Scientific method is not a religion, it is a tool. It does not prop up claims of Allah or Jesus or Yahweh or Buddha or Vishnu. Scientific method is completely religion independent. It is why a plane will fly in Iran, and a computer will work in Japan, and a flu vaccine will work in South Africa. It is why a cell phone will work in Australia and China.

Science does NOT prop up the Quran or Bible or Torah or Talmud or Vedas. Those are all human concocted myths humans like believing.

[Pat Mustard]

Just hold on to that thought when ur asked 3 questions by the 2 angels.

You mean like this?

https://youtu.be/_7iXw9zZrLo

We know how to get past those kind of questioners, just confuse them enough.

[Sheed1980]

Just hold on to that thought when ur asked 3 questions by the 2 angels.

You mean like this?

https://youtu.be/_7iXw9zZrLo

We know how to get past those kind of questioners, just confuse them enough.

I'm glad u have a sense of humor with ur mockery. But it is much more serious than that I guarantee. 2 angels named Munkar and Nakir, with jet black faces and blue eyes and voices like thunder will sit u up in ur grave and ask u 3 simple questions and they want straight answers. Who is your Lord? What is your religion? Who was this man sent to you as prophet? Those who disbelieve will answer incorrectly and will hear a voice say"My servant has lied, prepare for them a coffin from Hellfire." Then u will be shown a window of Paradise. It will be said this is what your Lord has prepared for you, but since you disbelieved you receive this instead. Then an ugly man with a foul stench as your bad deeds will keep you company as you are wrapped in burning shrouds of hellfire. The grave will squeeze your body so tight that your ribs will switch places. The 2 angels will strike you with iron hammers so powerful they will turn a mountain to dust. You will beg Allah not to bring on the Day of Judgment so you dont receive hellfire.However,  those of us who believe will answer Allah is my Lord. Islam is my religion. The man sent to me was prophet Muhammad pbuh. We then hear a voice saying "My servant has told the truth, prepare for them a coffin from Paradise. Then you will be shown a window of Hellfire. It will be said This is what your Lord has prepared for you but since you believed and did good you receive this instead. Then your grave will be filled with light and space as far as the eye can see. You will be wrapped in comfortable garments with the sweetest scent of musk and a pleasant breeze from Paradise. Then a handsome good smellIng person as your good deeds will keep you company until the Day of Judgment. You will be so pleased and ready to receive your reward that you will beg Allah to bring on the Day of Judgment. Which situation would you like to be in my friend?

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Well I know how a lot of atheists believe in scientific and astronomical reasoning and as I said there are plenty of examples of the Qur'an that are supported by these schools of thought. For example there are 114 chapters in the Qur'an. Ch.57 is Al-Hadyd or The Iron. Arabic letters have numerical value like Roman numerals in a sense. So with the word for iron Hadyd...(Ha)H=8 (Dal)D=4 (Ya)Y=10 and (Dal)=4. Add these values together u get 26. Look on any periodic table on Fe the symbol for iron u see the atomic number is 26. Now furthermore the Arabic article Al which means the (Alif)A=1 and(Lam)L=30. Add this 31 to the value of 26 Making it 57 and Al-Hadyd "The iron" which is the chapter name and number. To take it 1 step further 57 is exactly halfway through the Qur'an..scientists have discovered that if u cut the Earth in half, exactly to its inner core, it consists of molten iron.

Sure you do, because you define atheist differently than an atheist does.

Now again, Islam is not the only religion that has fans who point to their book to claim it matches science. Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists do it too.

When religion cant debunk science it tries to co opt science. Scientific method is not a religion, it is a tool. It does not prop up claims of Allah or Jesus or Yahweh or Buddha or Vishnu. Scientific method is completely religion independent. It is why a plane will fly in Iran, and a computer will work in Japan, and a flu vaccine will work in South Africa. It is why a cell phone will work in Australia and China.

Science does NOT prop up the Quran or Bible or Torah or Talmud or Vedas. Those are all human concocted myths humans like believing.

So all of these examples that I can give are just one big coincidence? How many coincidences do u need to see before u say this had to be planned by someone?

[Brian37]

You mean like this?

https://youtu.be/_7iXw9zZrLo

We know how to get past those kind of questioners, just confuse them enough.

I'm glad u have a sense of humor with ur mockery. But it is much more serious than that I guarantee. 2 angels named Munkar and Nakir, with jet black faces and blue eyes and voices like thunder will sit u up in ur grave and ask u 3 simple questions and they want straight answers. Who is your Lord? What is your religion? Who was this man sent to you as prophet? Those who disbelieve will answer incorrectly and will hear a voice say"My servant has lied, prepare for them a coffin from Hellfire." Then u will be shown a window of Paradise. It will be said this is what your Lord has prepared for you, but since you disbelieved you receive this instead. Then an ugly man with a foul stench as your bad deeds will keep you company as you are wrapped in burning shrouds of hellfire. The grave will squeeze your body so tight that your ribs will switch places. The 2 angels will strike you with iron hammers so powerful they will turn a mountain to dust. You will beg Allah not to bring on the Day of Judgment so you dont receive hellfire.However,  those of us who believe will answer Allah is my Lord. Islam is my religion. The man sent to me was prophet Muhammad pbuh. We then hear a voice saying "My servant has told the truth, prepare for them a coffin from Paradise. Then you will be shown a window of Hellfire. It will be said This is what your Lord has prepared for you but since you believed and did good you receive this instead. Then your grave will be filled with light and space as far as the eye can see. You will be wrapped in comfortable garments with the sweetest scent of musk and a pleasant breeze from Paradise. Then a handsome good smellIng person as your good deeds will keep you company until the Day of Judgment. You will be so pleased and ready to receive your reward that you will beg Allah to bring on the Day of Judgment. Which situation would you like to be in my friend?

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Sure you do, because you define atheist differently than an atheist does.

Now again, Islam is not the only religion that has fans who point to their book to claim it matches science. Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists do it too.

When religion cant debunk science it tries to co opt science. Scientific method is not a religion, it is a tool. It does not prop up claims of Allah or Jesus or Yahweh or Buddha or Vishnu. Scientific method is completely religion independent. It is why a plane will fly in Iran, and a computer will work in Japan, and a flu vaccine will work in South Africa. It is why a cell phone will work in Australia and China.

Science does NOT prop up the Quran or Bible or Torah or Talmud or Vedas. Those are all human concocted myths humans like believing.

So all of these examples that I can give are just one big coincidence? How many coincidences do u need to see before u say this had to be planned by someone?

No not even coincidence, just made up bullshit. None of what you posted is an actual demonstration of knowledge. Just made up junk. Try debating some Christians or Jews or Hindus.

This Christian website would claim science matches their bible.

https://www.livingwaters.com/witnessingt...ible.shtml

This Jew would claim that science backs up Jews.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cd...Talmud.htm

Or this Jew.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/...he-talmud/

Bet this Hindu would argue science props up their religion.

https://www.facebook.com/sciencehinduism/

This website claims Hindu is a religion and a science.

http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Sanatana_Dh...or_science

I am sure Buddhist will watch this video and go A HA, WE GOT IT RIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj_i7YqDwJA

I say you are all wrong and religion is all man made and all of you are simply trying to retrofit science into garbage looking backwards after the fact.

[Brian37]

Here is a video of a Hindu apology trying to match science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU9tSVLDgyQ

[Brian37]

Bet these Jews would claim science favors their god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzilbrH3CcA