If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Sheed1980]

Just hold on to that thought when ur asked 3 questions by the 2 angels.

[Angrboda]

Yeah, you're so not getting what I'm saying.  Are you just here for Dawah, because I'm not.

That's part of my duty to etell the truth about Islam. All I can do is tell u about it. How u take it is totally up to u

Yeah.... well if you're just here to spew, that's not much of a conversation.

[Sheed1980]

That's part of my duty to etell the truth about Islam. All I can do is tell u about it. How u take it is totally up to u

Yeah.... well if you're just here to spew, that's not much of a conversation.

Well it's not the only reason. I also like to learn about different religious views or non religious views that people believe in. This way I know how to compare them with my belief as a Muslim

[Wyrd of Gawd]

So who revised the Koran to include chapters and verses?  It must have been done after the 16th Century.

If you got it right the first time, why would conflict exist at all? I find it absurd to blame the misinterpreted competing versions of even the same religion on those who claim they are reading it the proper way. If this universal god wants humans to get along, it seems  going out of his way to allow different versions and competing religions the opposite of the universal message he claims.

I think you're a little off on your conclusion.  From the pure Islamic pov muslims are supposed to believe everything in the Bible and Torah.  Of course since they are forbidden to read those books they can't believe what's in them.  So that makes the Islamic clerics liars and deceivers because they don't believe what's in the Koran.  

Religious people tend to get bad attitudes when it's suggested that they should follow one  doctrine.  If they did that then countless people would lose their special status and jobs.  Consequently they all want to retain their own herd where they can be the big wig.  In a fractured system everyone can get to be someone special even if it's just the head of a small gaggle of superstituous twits.  

Even Mohammed complained that his herd of twits had formed over 70 different sects in his lifetime and he was the one who supposedly came up with the BS in the first place.  

There is no celestial God of any kind in this solar system.

[Jackie]

I'm sure they are as convincing to you as they are unconvincing to me.  The bulk fall under the headings of numerology and retconning, the practice of putting new interpretations on old passages as if the interpretation was there all along.  I don't think we need a rehash.

Well I know how a lot of atheists believe in scientific and astronomical reasoning and as I said there are plenty of examples of the Qur'an that are supported by these schools of thought. For example there are 114 chapters in the Qur'an. Ch.57 is Al-Hadyd or The Iron. Arabic letters have numerical value like Roman numerals in a sense. So with the word for iron Hadyd...(Ha)H=8 (Dal)D=4 (Ya)Y=10 and (Dal)=4. Add these values together u get 26. Look on any periodic table on Fe the symbol for iron u see the atomic number is 26. Now furthermore the Arabic article Al which means the (Alif)A=1 and(Lam)L=30. Add this 31 to the value of 26 Making it 57 and Al-Hadyd "The iron" which is the chapter name and number. To take it 1 step further 57 is exactly halfway through the Qur'an..scientists have discovered that if u cut the Earth in half, exactly to its inner core, it consists of molten iron.

Sure you do, because you define atheist differently than an atheist does.

Now again, Islam is not the only religion that has fans who point to their book to claim it matches science. Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists do it too.

When religion cant debunk science it tries to co opt science. Scientific method is not a religion, it is a tool. It does not prop up claims of Allah or Jesus or Yahweh or Buddha or Vishnu. Scientific method is completely religion independent. It is why a plane will fly in Iran, and a computer will work in Japan, and a flu vaccine will work in South Africa. It is why a cell phone will work in Australia and China.

Science does NOT prop up the Quran or Bible or Torah or Talmud or Vedas. Those are all human concocted myths humans like believing.

[Pat Mustard]

[Sheed1980]

[Jackie]

[Jackie]

[Jackie]